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The Laws of Laws
Postby nameta9 » Thu Oct 25, 2012 11:27 am
The Laws of Laws
What are the general Laws of "Laws" themselves ? They are repetitive, can be applied again and again in different situations and things behave similarly (the same?), but then do they always imply time and space ? do you need a memory to remember that the laws are the same and repetitive ?
The Laws of how Laws are constructed are mostly the Laws of how a Processor, Observer decodes an input according to the laws fixed within the Decoder, Processor, Observer, in short, the Man Brain. Change the way the Brain is set up and you change the very essence of Laws themselves, you deconstruct and tear apart laws the themselves, the Laws of Physics couldn't exist if you didn't already have the concept of Laws already present in your narrative, discourse, in your Mind, etc.
But the Laws of Laws themself are Arbitrary, as usual, and even the Laws of the Laws of Laws, and the Laws of Change, etc. All arbitrary repetitive, recursive patterns that make sense to something that decided what patterns were in the first place, that hard wired them as Absolute invariants otherwise it couldn't work at all, couldn't even notice "Laws" at all, decode them or work at all...
I AM THE OVERMAN (as imagined by Frank Zappa).
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Re: The Laws of Laws
Postby nameta9 » Thu Oct 25, 2012 11:36 am
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Re: The Laws of Laws
Postby James S Saint » Thu Oct 25, 2012 1:37 pm
Laws are formed from Consistencies. It doesn't matter who or what observed or deduced them.
Clarify, Verify, and Instill the Perception of Hopes and Threats that Optimize the Momentum of Inclusive Self-Harmony :)
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Re: The Laws of Laws
Postby nameta9 » Thu Oct 25, 2012 5:54 pm
James S Saint wrote:Laws are formed from Consistencies. It doesn't matter who or what observed or deduced them.
yeah, new words, new old stuff, already said, saying the same old things with new symbols and such, the identity principle and such, I am at a much higher abstraction level, the Laws of Laws are way beyond what you think I am talking about, I am already past logic, at a higher dimension, a higher state, but you just use puny logic over and over again, kill logic, kill reasoning, kill truth, I win forever...
Memory Kills the Future
Everything has been invented and done, now we have a huge memory of all past inventions and things, nothing is left to do. Everything is already heard, everything discovered, nothing is left, we must erase all of the past memory of all knowledge and science and invent things all over again forever and then forget all over again: case in point, the generation that lived before WW 2 was kind of cancelled by the war, a new generation came and invented Rock music (why can't a new band like the Beatles come again ? because it has been done, no young group can invent all the novelty all over again, same for Woodstock, counterculture and all such), and then the invention of the Microprocessor and so many new things, a young generation had all of those possible inventions waiting, now it has all been done, we are at the end of the road, all is memorized in the internet, all is finished, erase the memory, start all over again, the memory blocks creativity, the young can't invent everything all over again, they are condemned to do nothing for the rest of their lives, it is all over, (playing with smart phones is an example of a peaked society and culture, it is all old stuff being done over and over again, the camera, the blogs, whatever), science too as a memory device, the internet as a memory device making everyone idle since it all has been done.
I have explained all of philosophy once and for all on my posts, now it is all over, there is nothing left to invent, hence we must erase all, free all memories from the past, forget the past, and do it all over again forever, no cultural stimulus when you already heard that music and read those ideas and such, so kill memory, invent all new things, forget all, forgetting will set the young free to repeat all over again, all the"old" new things, etc.
That is why only devastating and changing the Brain Circuits is the only real novelty left, nothing else is left, change the Brain circuits and you really create infinite novelties forever...
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Re: The Laws of Laws
Postby finishedman » Thu Oct 25, 2012 6:17 pm
I understand your problem. The actions of life are outside the field of thought. Life is simply a process of stimulus and response; and stimulus and response are one unitary movement. But it is thought that separates them and says that this is the response and that is the stimulus. Any action that is born out of thinking is destructive in its nature because thought is a self-perpetuating mechanism. Any action that is outside the field of thought is one continuous movement. It is one with the movement of life. It is that flow of things. You don't even have to paddle out of the mainstream on to the banks there. But there is fear of sinking in it.
If energy is not wasted in pursuit of some certainties offered to us, life becomes very simple. But we end up being wasted, misled and misspent individuals. If that energy is released, what is it that we can't do to survive in the midst of these complexities of the world created by our culture? It is very simple. The attempt to sidestep these complexities is the very thing that is causing us all these problems.
That energy is something which cannot be defined and which cannot be understood. The moment the dead thought tries to capture that energy, thought is destroyed. Thought is matter. The moment it is created, it has to be destroyed. But that is the very thing that we resist. Thought is born and is destroyed, and again it is born and again it is destroyed. The only way you can give continuity to thought is through this constant demand to experience everything. This is the only way you try to maintain the continuity of the `experiencing structure'.
Without knowledge you can't experience anything. What you do not know, you cannot experience. It is the knowledge that creates the experience, and it is the experience that strengthens the knowledge. At every moment of our existence, we have to know what is happening outside of us and what is happening inside of us. That is the only way you can maintain this continuity.
Coming back to what you said earlier about rejecting the whole past - the experiences, thoughts and everything.... It’s not something that you can do through any effort, will or volition of yours. It's a miracle. That happens to you despite everything you do. Everything you do only blocks it. It prevents the possibility of whatever is there to express itself. Not that you have gained anything. Only what is there is able to express itself without any hindrance, without any constraints or restraints imposed on it by society for its own reasons, for its own continuity and stability.
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Re: The Laws of Laws
Postby The Idiot » Thu Oct 25, 2012 10:44 pm
finishedman wrote:I understand your problem. The actions of life are outside the field of thought. Life is simply a process of stimulus and response; and stimulus and response are one unitary movement. But it is thought that separates them and says that this is the response and that is the stimulus. Any action that is born out of thinking is destructive in its nature because thought is a self-perpetuating mechanism. Any action that is outside the field of thought is one continuous movement. It is one with the movement of life. It is that flow of things. You don't even have to paddle out of the mainstream on to the banks there. But there is fear of sinking in it.
If energy is not wasted in pursuit of some certainties offered to us, life becomes very simple. But we end up being wasted, misled and misspent individuals. If that energy is released, what is it that we can't do to survive in the midst of these complexities of the world created by our culture? It is very simple. The attempt to sidestep these complexities is the very thing that is causing us all these problems.
That energy is something which cannot be defined and which cannot be understood. The moment the dead thought tries to capture that energy, thought is destroyed. Thought is matter. The moment it is created, it has to be destroyed. But that is the very thing that we resist. Thought is born and is destroyed, and again it is born and again it is destroyed. The only way you can give continuity to thought is through this constant demand to experience everything. This is the only way you try to maintain the continuity of the `experiencing structure'.
Without knowledge you can't experience anything. What you do not know, you cannot experience. It is the knowledge that creates the experience, and it is the experience that strengthens the knowledge. At every moment of our existence, we have to know what is happening outside of us and what is happening inside of us. That is the only way you can maintain this continuity.
Coming back to what you said earlier about rejecting the whole past - the experiences, thoughts and everything.... It’s not something that you can do through any effort, will or volition of yours. It's a miracle. That happens to you despite everything you do. Everything you do only blocks it. It prevents the possibility of whatever is there to express itself. Not that you have gained anything. Only what is there is able to express itself without any hindrance, without any constraints or restraints imposed on it by society for its own reasons, for its own continuity and stability.
This is a bit off topic so I'm sorry (I'll get right back on topic) but are you familiar with the works of Krishnamurti? Whenever I read your posts I feel like your presentation and your thoughts themselves are quite in tune with that mans thoughts. I'm just curious.
Now back on topic.
You say that the actions of life are outside the field of thought. Can you relate this to Death? I mean that, if continuity of existence is dependent upon thought, but thought is always there (or always returns, rather) then what is the difference between "death" and death of thought? When thought stops. When thought completely stops, is that "death"? Is eternal life all there ever is? Is death just a "thought" itself?
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Re: The Laws of Laws
Postby finishedman » Fri Oct 26, 2012 1:35 am
Your constant utilization of thought to give continuity to your separate self is 'you'. There is nothing there inside you other than that.
You cannot measure anything unless you have a point. So, if the center is absent, there is no circumference at all. That is pure and simple basic arithmetic.
The subject does not exist there. It is the object that creates the subject. This runs counter to a lot of philosophical thinking. It is the object that creates the subject and not the subject that creates the object. This is a simple physiological phenomenon which can be tested. For example, if there is no object there, there is no subject here. What creates the subject is the object.
There is light. If the light is not there you have no way of looking at anything. The light falls on that object, and the reflection of that light activates the optic nerves, which in turn activate the memory cells. When the memory cells are activated, all the knowledge you have about that object comes into cooperation. It is that process which is happening there that has created the subject. And the subject is the knowledge you have about it. When you reduce it to that you feel the absurdity of talking about the self -- the lower self, the higher self and self knowing, self-knowledge, knowing from moment to moment is nonsense. You can indulge in such and build up philosophical theories, but there is no subject there at all at any time. There is no subject creating the object.
There is no permanent entity there at all. What is there (what you call "I") is only a first person singular pronoun. If you don't want to use that word "I" to prove that you are a man without "I", it is your privilege. That's all that is there. There is no permanent entity there at all.
While you are living, the knowledge that is there does not belong to you. So, why are you concerned as to what will happen after what you call "you" is gone? The physical body is functioning from moment to moment because that is the way the sensory perceptions are. To talk of living from moment to moment, by creating a thought induced state of mind, has no meaning to me except in terms of the physical functioning of the body.
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Re: The Laws of Laws
Postby finishedman » Fri Oct 26, 2012 7:34 am
When thought completely stops, is that "death"?
You cease to be.
Is eternal life all there ever is?
Mind is interested in creating an artificial immortality -- of an entity, soul, self, whatever you want to call it. It knows in a way that it is coming to an end somewhere along the line, and its survival, its continuity, its status quo depends upon the continuity of the body. But body is not in any way involved with the thought, because it has no beginning, it has no end. It is the thought that has created the two points -- this is the birth and that is the death.
Is death just a "thought" itself?
It is the thought that has created the body, and established a point and says it's born here, and is going to end there. So it is the thought that has created the time factor.
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Re: The Laws of Laws
Postby nameta9 » Thu Nov 01, 2012 9:25 pm
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The Future ...
The myth of the future, the myth of destiny, you could have done this or that, if only, if only you did this you would be that or in another place, situation, whatever, etc. This myth is at the basis of all of the problems people force themselves to have (the logical mental problems a Man Brain forces itself to have according to models of cause and effect and control when 99 % of what happens is out of any control at all) the goal, the target, the success reached according to some model or whatever, but the truth is the future doesn't exist, it is not some metaphysical destiny that you could have achieved or should have achieved, the sequence of events that occur mostly just happen with no goal or control or model in mind, no matter how hard you try to control or force things to go in certain ways (the myth of science and finding out why and then how to control the future and such). So if the future doesn't exist and is random and without any control, then it isn't a model, there is nothing to regret or nothing to be sad about since you didn't reach the future you wanted, the future never existed in the first place if only as a figment of the imagination as a utopia as an imagined place that should have and could have been so and so and you could have reached it: nothing further from the truth, there is no future, there is no model, there is no control, there is no metaphysical external future waiting to be reached according to your effort and responsibility and such (but you are forced to think in these terms and force yourself to constantly fail because you didn't reach the fairy land, etc.).
But this is due to the cause and effect and logical model of the world that works so well in so many instances, becoming a mental jail, everything is logical and under control but this control is an illusion, when you least expect it it will deny all of your intentions and hopes and models and since you can't accept that the model of the future was false and impossible to reach, since any and all futures are a wild guess, you blame yourself, you blame some logical consequence, you blame some control you missed, some bad choice you made (or all of the people stuff, she said, she did, he did, all of the family, emotional, career crap and such and blame him or her and lawyers and fights and politics etc.) and such.
But just like god cannot be proven to exist or not exist, the question is in an eternal limbo, and just like it is impossible to pinpoint down what is relative and what is absolute, the same thing happens with all of the narrative of a life, how much control did you have, what could you have done, why didn't that great future occur, who is to blame, what bad choice I made (or someone else made, hence blame him or it or them, etc. and fight and wars and conflicts), if only, if only I could go back and such, it can never be known, it is just suggested, to torture you, to torture your mind with regret and killed hopes and bad choices and with future effort, a lot of effort to reach a future that is and will always be impossible to reach because it doesn't exist anywhere, it only exists the moment it occurs and only for a picosecond only to disappear again and remain in your memory (to keep on torturing you with its imaginary reality, when there is no reality behind anything that has happened, there is no past, another figment of the imagination, the past is just a random collection of bits in your memory in your man brain...), and what occurs moment by moment is so totally random and quirky and without any substance, reality, only a metaphysical invention that worrying about it, planning it, regretting it, projecting future goals is a joke on the mind always, is a joke to torture the mind that will always lose this chess game against god.
But exactly because so many things work and are logical, we are full of perfect machines, perfect programs (like computer programs, predicting and controlling events in the future so perfectly) that we are fooled and induced into thinking that this control and projected future is real and possible and if something good doesn't happen it is our fault since we didn't control or predict well enough and such, and we must regret a bad choice, a bad sequence of events we could have controlled and such. Nothing further from the truth, we can control a lot of things but only up to the point that random events and forces allow us to go, then pure nothing and randomness and pure blind chance will decide for us but leave us tortured and always finding something that should have been but didn't come to be, something or someone to blame, even yourself, mostly yourself, and some further study and investigation, and further research and science to allow us to control something that doesn't exist and will never exist, namely the future, the ghost of an imagined future that can be reached by imagined controls but always a total falsification of reality, as reality doesn't exist, models don't exist, we are constantly being taken for a ride by god, physics, (and the huge success we have ha in controlling a lot of things, but not everything and that is where we always fail) the principles of non contradiction, the identity principles always making us believe in this crap of logic and control and prediction only to hose you when you least expect it etc.
Like the news and newspapers TV, some new catastrophe to worry about, (some new challenges some new bad news to torture you, some new problem, some new threats, constant threats all over the place on any issue) you have to take sides and win or lose, always new news and new problems and new frustration and new impossible problems to solve and such, there is always something new to torture you, some new conflict, some new problem, the entire idea of problems means that there are solutions, but this is false, almost all problems are without any solution since they can only be solved politically, by social consent, but no two people will ever agree on anything, as man is conflict, fight, is conflicting will powers always and such...
Like Global Warming: it can't be demonstrated precisely (because the laws of physics make believe they are precise but they are a hoax, the three body problem can't be solved, hence there are no laws of physics to start with), but it is a possibility, it is suggested that we are wrecking the climate, hence something or someone to blame for the NYC storm and such...
Always these undecided situations, everything is a joke on us, does god exist yes or no ? did you control your future and are you to blame for what happened yes or no ? did you kill the climate by driving yes or no ? and so forth, all undecided, all suggested: the truth is all of these problems aren't problems in the first place because they have no solutions to begin with (or impossible solutions like the whole world stops industrial production and car driving and such, totally insane solutions), they are false problems so don't think about anything anymore, who cares what happens, we are hosed anyways in the end, the future doesn't exist, the past doesn't exist, what happens is pure blind chance, and I am not feeling very well myself anyways...
The future as some external picture outside waiting to happen (or as things happened as we wished but we can't have a part in that imaginary movie), the picture as something that exists and is real, there is no external picture or metaphysical place where the events are playing out as we imagine, there is no future ...
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Free Physics (like Free Jazz)
Free Physics (like Free Jazz)
Up until now our civilization has always found the "discovery process", the "scientific enquiry process" the most important to "advance", but this is over now, most of what had to be discovered has been discovered, there will be very few really new breakthroughs in Science and Technology in the future, so we must completely change our paradigm, our way of doing things.
We must free ourselves from being slaves to what Nature and the Laws of Physics dealt us, WE MUST ENTER THE AGE OF PURE INVENTION, WE MUST CREATE NEW WORLDS, CREAT NEW LAWS, WE MUST NO LONGER BE SLAVES TO THE TRUTH, ETC. We must stop trying to discover Objective Truths but invent Subjective False Truths, we must worship Lies, we must worship total falsification of reality and all, invent fake worlds and live in them, be crazy to the utmost extent.
What happens in the "Black Hole" where the Laws of Physics no longer operate ? Well Free Physics, all kinds of incredible, insane laws are operating, all things are mixed and true and false, everything is related to everything else through everything else and also disjoint and unrelated, all time is confused, all points in space are mixed up, everything is the cause of everything else and at the same time is composed of everything else and at the same time not composed of everything else and ever so more, more and more wacky relationships, make your mind go crazy, like a pebble and a cloud are the cause of a transistor and the electrons flowing in the transistor are little Suns, but at the same time the cause of the Sun in the transistor came from a car tire on a random car, but no, it is the other way around, and you can have circular time so everything causes everything else (and the set of pictures, of transitions of one Matter configuration to another Matter configuration can go through many trillions of intermediate pictures, but also just one, or minus a trillion or all of the pictures are confused and all cause and effect is deconstructed and reconstructed wrongly and all messed up and so on and such), but was also caused by everything else in cycles going back and forth, and time going crazy and all points in space connected and disconnected and all delimitations as one monolithic block, as a pure Entity and item, but then disconnected and so forth and so on.
Of course what I really invent and think is way more complex and elaborate and incredible than me being possible to explain it or write it, I am just giving you a glimpse of a small parts of my thoughts: I am a Genius, the greatest Genius of all Time, bar none.
Free Physics, all Laws and No Laws operating, make up anything at all, as crazy as possible, connecting all kinds of things and disconnecting them, as a letter on a page is the heart of a person, but that person is a car engine in a transistor that is inside an atom and so forth, and all mixed up, all time and space confused, a total chaos, and all so true and such.
Free Physics like Free Jazz, break all the rules, improvise, experiment, or better still like Contemporary Music where even the instruments no longer exist, but any wild sound is Music, so it must be done in Physics, anything as far out as possible is the new truth...
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Re: Free Physics (like Free Jazz)
Postby nameta9 » Fri Aug 10, 2012 8:08 pm
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Re: Free Physics (like Free Jazz)
Postby James S Saint » Fri Aug 10, 2012 8:20 pm
nameta9 wrote:we must completely change our paradigm, our way of doing things.
Why exactly "must" you do that?
What do you think happens if you don't invent new lies to live by?
nameta9 wrote:We must free ourselves from being slaves to what Nature and the Laws of Physics dealt us, WE MUST ENTER THE AGE OF PURE INVENTION, WE MUST CREATE NEW WORLDS, CREAT NEW LAWS, WE MUST NO LONGER BE SLAVES TO THE TRUTH, ETC. We must stop trying to discover Objective Truths but invent Subjective False Truths, we must worship Lies, we must worship total falsification of reality and all, invent fake worlds and live in them, be crazy to the utmost extent.
They call that Quantum Physics.
Clarify, Verify, and Instill the Perception of Hopes and Threats that Optimize the Momentum of Inclusive Self-Harmony :)
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Re: Free Physics (like Free Jazz)
Postby nameta9 » Fri Aug 10, 2012 8:36 pm
Go Man, Go ! that little crack on the wall is GOD, but that other crack is the "Origin of the Electron", but the event that happened under the sea 10,000 years ago in a given point is the cause of the pebble on that other side of the street which back caused (through negative time) the shape of a cloud in point Omega in the Sky but forward caused the entity of a Jet Engine appearing in point X, but cross causing the small dent on the floor in the house in point Z, and so on, mix it up, make eveything be the cause of anything else, but also invert it, but also confuse it, but also disconnect entities (create ever new delimitations, and connect the most different things and assign them as one single thing and make it become anything else, like a tire and a cup of tea is a train which is a thought which is a memory, etc.), and make them become the most important thing in the "Universe" and also the least at the same time and so forth and so on, just do it Man, you can do it. Every point in space is the same and different point of any other and all mixed, and all condensed in one point and all time is condensed in one moment but exploded in trillions and all time and space is cross converted and so forth, make it up, use wild formulas, make it go ever more crazy, and mix in Observers (new Brain Machines Observing and Decoding a reality being Observed) and Emotion Engines and Machines and all kinds of things.. Cool, really Groovy....
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Re: Free Physics (like Free Jazz)
Postby nameta9 » Fri Aug 10, 2012 8:59 pm
James S Saint wrote:
nameta9 wrote:we must completely change our paradigm, our way of doing things.
Why exactly "must" you do that?
What do you think happens if you don't invent new lies to live by?
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Re: Free Physics (like Free Jazz)
Postby captaincrunk » Sat Aug 11, 2012 1:56 am
nameta9 wrote:I am a Genius, the greatest Genius of all Time, bar none.
Even smarter than that one dude who won "Who Wants to Be a Millionaire?"
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Re: Free Physics (like Free Jazz)
Postby anon » Sat Aug 11, 2012 1:54 pm
Coleman's got nothing on Coltrane, but I'm glad it happened! I bought Free Jazz a long time ago - probably listened to it twice. It was too formal, ironically, it didn't have the heart or searching drive of, say, Coltrane's Impressions, or Sanders's Thembi. Free physics sounds great, if it's got heart and a drive to discover equal to its drive to invent.
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Re: Free Physics (like Free Jazz)
Postby nameta9 » Tue Sep 18, 2012 2:34 pm
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"It's like the philosophical bullshit that Tegmark posts all the time. Guys like Ken Wilber will be forgotten two years after their deaths because they are just mental masturbators who imbue their cant with a spiritual edge. "
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It's as if Logic itself was the Ultimate Reference System, the Ultimate Absolute, the Principle of Non Contradiction and Identity are the Absolute Reference System from which all else can be serialized, all further logical paths can be followed: but there, I said it, I will contradict myself on purpose and deny identity on purpose and follow logical paths anyways, who cares, A is B and A is not B at the same time, and connect anything to anything following any absurd logical path I want.
As any Theoretical Physics does, in the long run, in infinite time, a mind investigating all possible relationships and theories in physics will end up finding a theory, a connection between anything, any sequence of symbols will end up being a theory, that is actually valid and true (gravity comes from pebble 4,567 on Mars, etc., and the electron is a Number on point Z on the Sun, and the Concept of Number as such is based on a cloud that passed on earth), that can perfectly match all experimental values. It is a long stretch, but all possible theories of physics are all simultaneously true since the connections are made in the mind itself that can connect anything to anything and justify anything to anything, etc.
But either all possible logical models are and will always be true, since in essence the mind performing the theory is just a Subset of Matter decoding another subset of Matter, hence Matter simply talking to itself, with no other external reference and constraint possible since that would imply that there is something outside of Matter, outside of the Universe forcing it to abide to rules or not all possible theories can be true, hence there is something outside of the universe constraining it. But anything can be outside of the universe, anything can be invented outside of the universe to constrain any theory and any possible invention and developments of explanations in any possible way, hence if anything goes, it is all true and false and irrelevant anyways.
But the closest thing we can conceive as being an Absolute, almost external constraint are the Principles of Identity and Non Contradiction, hence these principles must be outside of the universe, must be in some kind of platonic other place, other area, someplace else, whatever on earth this place is, or probably more truthfully, logic itself is simply a way of matter interacting with itself and only appearing when a logic based Observer decodes all of the events and signals it perceives and invents and interacts with in a logical schematic of reality and matter since that is the only schematic and circuits it has of reality.
So Free Physics is totally justified, invent the most incredible ideas and theories, make them the most insane, the most insanely complicated or simply mathematically simple or whatever (no matter what, given enough logic and computers that can analyze any theory, it will find the mathematical and logical justification, but obviously within an ever increasing abstract and complex framework, and it will need an ever increasing amount of time etc.).
But Break Logic once and for all and you exit this Universe and enter another, so break it before it can be theoretically justified in the year 5 billion 2020...
Philosophy is that thing that with or without doesn't affect or change anything: Exactly ! it must be totally subjective, totally unjustified, totally wrong, a total waste of time, it must have absolutely no possible "Social Value", it must have no possibility to be communicated, the more it is transparent and invisible, the better, the more abstract the better, the more totally confusing and totally void of any value the better, it must be despised by the Man Brain and by the Man Type of Observer (that thinks that he is some kind of Absolute Reference, when he is a quirk of a reference system probably the simplest turdy reference system Matter can Express, as Matter can express untold trillions of more complex elaborate, incredible reference systems and Informational Relationships within itself as it is always just Matter talking to itself, nay, An entity (always totally abstract, therefore Non Existent and False and I hope you can't understand any of this in the slightest) that is talking to itself, relating to itself in untold ways etc.).
Philosophy has nothing to do with anything social or communication, the least of all with morality.
For anything said or any sentence or any idea, the exact opposite and the exact contradiction of that idea or sentence is always true...For anything, the opposite of that anything is also true...
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Re: Free Physics (like Free Jazz)
Postby James S Saint » Tue Sep 18, 2012 2:57 pm
nameta9 wrote:It's as if Logic itself was the Ultimate Reference System, the Ultimate Absolute, the Principle of Non Contradiction and Identity are the Absolute Reference System from which all else can be serialized
Emm.. actually... emm.. it is.
nameta9 wrote:Philosophy has nothing to do with anything social or communication, the least of all with morality.
Emm.. actually... emm.. it does.
nameta9 wrote:For anything said or any sentence or any idea, the exact opposite and the exact contradiction of that idea or sentence is always true...For anything, the opposite of that anything is also true...
Ah... okay... now There is the BS you were referring to.
Clarify, Verify, and Instill the Perception of Hopes and Threats that Optimize the Momentum of Inclusive Self-Harmony :)
Else
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Re: Free Physics (like Free Jazz)
Postby nameta9 » Tue Sep 18, 2012 7:28 pm
From:
http://kunstler.com/blog/2012/09/what-does-it-mean.html
Further Reading:
http://instantsingularity1.blogspot.it/
http://instantsingularity3.blogspot.it/
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That was From the Masterpiece:
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I am the greatest genius of all time, the top, absolute best, Einstein is a puny fairy compared to me!
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Re: Free Physics (like Free Jazz)
Postby James S Saint » Tue Sep 18, 2012 7:32 pm
I will give that you have a sharp mind.
But I see it as bent and frustrated.
Clarify, Verify, and Instill the Perception of Hopes and Threats that Optimize the Momentum of Inclusive Self-Harmony :)
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Re: Free Physics (like Free Jazz)
Postby nameta9 » Wed Sep 19, 2012 7:35 am
The Laws of Change
Exactly what laws would exist without Change ? Aren't all laws referenced to the paths of change, to repetitive patterns that emerge when any kind of change appears ? But we want the laws of Static, we want the laws of things that rarely change, the pebble on the Moon has been still for many years, just like a crack on the wall has been still for many years, hence the last clock tick of their local clock occurred many years ago, nothing is happening in those 2 points, so time doesn't exist in those 2 points, the laws of physics are exactly suspended for those 2 points because there are no Laws of Change being expressed, the points are not abiding to the constraints of any Laws of Change, as any law is always a Law of Change, a Law of Interaction, of Events, and how we organize and decode the Events in our Mind, or the Mind of an Observer that measures the Change according to his own changes, to his own internal frequencies, to his own reference system of repetitive patterns (heart beat, and millions of protein foldings and chemical reactions in cells and millions of electrical signals in the brain, etc.) that are defining all other repetitive patterns it perceives and decodes from the signals it receives from "Outside", form Independent Entities, as the independence of the Entities guarantee that they are Different from us, will surprise us, will do things we cannot know, will do things over which we have no control over.
The laws of static as everything that is still is still because trillions of invisible forces are all pulling the things in different directions but as a total result keeping it perfectly still. So you can invent trillions of new forces and new Laws of Physics that produce No Change, Static, as in Free Physics, and let your imagination go wild, and HAVE FUN, since it doesn't have to be "proved", it doesn't have to go through the dictatorship of Reality and "Experimental Evidence" and Logic and "Being True" and all other such puny BS, I want to be free, I want to do whatever I want, I want total freedom to create any truth and impose it on reality!
Clock ticks are a frequency, hence an energy, hence time creates energy, actually the more change, the faster the change, any change, the more energy is being expressed, is being created, is being produced, there is no conservation of energy, but the constant production of new energy in the form of frequencies, of clock ticks, all of the electrons and protons in the center of stars are interacting, changing position, how many clock ticks correspond to all of those changes, what is the minimum time interval that must be achieved to find all of the particles still, if only for one moment ? there is no limit to how high a frequency can get and conversely there is no limit to how small a time interval can be, the abstract nature of time is exactly this, it is not bound by limits, but time is exactly like a number, can be as small and as large as you want. Maybe to find all particles exactly still in the universe the smallest time interval would have to be 10^-10000 picoseconds, but there is a time interval where everything is perfectly still, is not moving, nothing has enough time to move (Absolute ZERO Temperature ?).
Use some "Serial Logic" will you XXX5, you say the philosopher doesn't "contribute" to social problems or technical solutions, etc. ? And why should he have anything to do with such Low Level, Puny crap ? Why should he give a crap about all of those idiotic things ? the philosopher is way passed all of this, is vastly superior to all of this as he is vastly superior to all other men, as he is the OverMan, the SuperMan, the GOD of all and the GOD of himself. There are already so many scientists and politicians and engineers applying their "Logic", their Serial Logic to those puny, petty, fairy problems, the philosopher must apply his Mind to the greatest problems of all, namely, No Problem at all, must only HAVE FUN, doesn't have any Responsibility towards anything, not even himself, is vastly free, forever free, AND WINS ALL THE TIME STRUCTURALLY, BY DEFINITION. Now be envious, on me, since I always win and will win forever, at most you can try to imitate me.
And this myth of Nature Loving, of alternative social systems to capitalism and such is just an attempt at installing a new Theocracy, a new Subjective system, the most Objective and ultimately least violent system of interactions between people is exactly pure Capitalism (although subjectivity is always operating, but in a very indirect and detached mode, everyone buying IPHONES is a subjective choice, but detached, you can choose, etc.), the Industry and Machine and Profits all speak by themselves and force everyone to abide to Objective numbers, whereas all these hippies trying to impose their "Alternative" "Green" lifestyles, "being good to each other", these "social values", these "communities" for the "common good" (who give 2 c*cks and a d*ck! I want mine, I am a total egotist, I can care less of everyone else, they are all a constraint, a limit on my freedom always, other people suck hugely and so does all of this community, social values, environmental protection, tree hugging crap and such BS!) want to introduce Subjectivity and a new Religion on everyone with the result that everyone will become dirt poor exactly like in those countries that don't have wild consumerism, technology, capitalism, cars and highways and malls and such, because they want to protect nature (puny Denmark with their crappy Bikes come in Mind, what total idiots, a recipe for poverty, we need industry, large scale structures, trillions of cars, highways, we must dominate nature to its utmost, etc.), without consumerism and industry and all such things the alternative is poverty, is nothing, is third world living conditions, there is no alternative to the only economic system that ever created some mass distribution of wealth, namely the American Economic System, the only model, especially the model as it was applied from 1950 to the 1990s until the Greens and Old Nature Loving thugs decided to stop wild development and production and all other things.
So don't believe the Resource Scarcity Myths, the Environmentalists, they are bringing the world towards Mass Poverty, they want to go backwards when we must go forward to the future, Rockets, Malls, Highways, High Speed Trains, Jets, Skyscrapers, ever more consumerism, etc.
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Re: Free Physics (like Free Jazz)
Postby nameta9 » Wed Sep 19, 2012 1:44 pm
from:
http://kunstler.com/blog/2012/09/what-does-it-mean.html
Dedicated to mistified...
Examples of Free Physics:
"...You'd think the destruction of 8 Marine Harrier..."
and
"8 Man"
are related because they both have the sequence of symbols "8 M", so that is a connection point in an abstract, metaphysical world. Now do that with all sentences, all words, all parts of words, even letters, etc.
Like "agree it makes" is related to "Collateral Transformation (E341) " since they both contain the letter "a", now imagine all the ways those two sentences are connected on that hinge of a letter, how they can be combined in a metaphysical world, what incredible deep meaning that must be between them, etc.
Now imagine a number, any number that represents anything, like "53 miles" (from anywhere or to anywhere or anything), and "53 pebbles on Mars", and imagine how those 2 numbers connect those 2 concepts, 2 chunks of matter, 2 delimitations, etc. And what incredibly deep meanings, what incredibly deep sensation circuits in a new Mind Brain Design can they be associated to and connected to, what paradise of pain/pleasure and other extensions and denotations and recursions, ever more recursions and inventions are possible!
And do that with atoms and electrons and pixels in an image and all else, all connected to all according to the quirkiest connections, all going ever higher, achieving ever higher states of existence and being, just like the imagined linear expansion of science inventing and discovering new physics ever day (like discovering a new thing like electricity, and then Maxwell equations and then General Relativity) all in one day, and then higher entities and discoveries all in an hour, then a second, ever going forward, ever faster, exponentially faster! the Instant Singularity achieving ever more, the dream of Infinite Science, imagine where we will be at in the year 500 trillion 1956 !?!?!?!?
And all of those connections become a New Brain as in Brainium, and a New Universe, invent ever more, be whacky and crazy, go for it Man, GO MAN GO!
FIRST GEAR ITS ALL RIGHT, SECOND GEAR HOLD ON TIGHT, THIRD GEAR YOU'RE OUT OF SIGHT, GROOVY MAN, GROOVY...
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Re: Free Physics (like Free Jazz)
Postby nameta9 » Fri Sep 21, 2012 7:26 am
FREE PHYSICS...
Why Change anyways ? Change for the better, or a subset of entities of Matter compares itself to another different subset and finds or assigns itself as "better" or some Observer perceives it as "better", but "better" is already defined from the outset by the structure of the Observer and by the signals it receives and how it will evaluate them. But all things have a Will Power that wants to change for something better, but all changes are simply killing the previous configuration associated to some abstract Will Power somewhere (just assign it) everything is fighting a war with itself for changes, to change, when no change is any better, they are all wrong and worse and all the same, and it all cancels out, etc. and what subset of matter is associated to what will power and what idea, and how long does the entity being compared to another entity that is different and changed does it last ? how much does the set of events and entities and observations considered a reference point from which to measure all other changes extend in Space and Time ? and each change is killing the other change to achieve the better, but nothing is better so it all cancels out.
As all change is an internal fight between subsets of entities between themselves, but they always change so they all lose anyways, an internal fight of matter with itself (or denotated will powers belonging to some other items, to a pebble on Mars and the other change is associated to the will power and desires of a small ocean wave in the Pacific Ocean, etc.), trying to impose the new configuration as the better one, but it is only a memory erase and memory write operation upon a set of information items, no matter how extended in space and time and how many items compose it etc.
And combine the oddest items as anything, as one person, as one story, as one experience as one anything and compare that to another set of items combined as a different person, and judge who is better, and let them fight, so for example a car engine and a pebble is person one and a house and a mountain is person two and they are judging each other reciprocally according to what they think is "better", but there is no better since they are arbitrary quirks, and so on, and extend chunks and bits of logic to the most disjoint concepts and items and entities, and make up the greatest possible nonsense, and slowly demolish all logic and thought and so on.
Not Reductionism but Explosionism, find as many different items as possible, the most different possible and combine them and assign them as all having any arbitrary "common denominator" and create a new Physics and New "Explanations" for it all, we need to find the most "Uncommon Denominator" to all entities, be as wrong and as illogical as possible and create a New Physics like that (not like what has been done up to now, finding the elementary particles that are common to all, like Atoms or Electrons, and finding the Repetitive Patterns of how Change Behaves, but the exact opposite, assign the most wrong and weirdest things as Elementary particles and FORCE all items to abide and discover the laws of Static and Not Change, and the most Non Repetitive Patterns as possible, nay, FORCE anything you want as the truth, make believe that a Non Repetitive Pattern is a Repetitive Pattern and the opposite, and so on just for the fun of it, just for kicks, tease all logic). Like since the color of a pebble on Mars is blue and the car on the corner is blue they have a new common denominator, they are connected magically by some new physics and laws, or since the number 786 is a measurement of some temperature somewhere and it is also the distance between two given electrons inside the Sun, they are connected by a fundamental new Law of Physics, they have a deep connection, the number 786 becomes a new fundamental law of physics just like electromagnetism or gravity, etc. Use random insignificant things as the basis for all, tease the entire program of Science and Logic and Reductionism, we need Explosionism, etc.
It all cancels out, For everything that is false, the Opposite of that anything is also False, Everything is False, no matter what, because TRUTH NEVER EXISTED. For anything said, any change performed anything at all, the opposite (but even any other relationship, not necessarily the opposite), or any other things is also true and valid and correct, for anything the opposite is what that anything really means, for any truth the contrary of that truth is also true, make it all cancel out, demolish it all from the inside by making it logically incoherent, for anything logical, the opposite of that is also logical, keep on contradicting yourself, let Matter contradict itself in all possible manners, demolish logic, throw it down from its throne (but at the same time or a different time or anything confirm it) (and anyways, it is done all the time in the "Science" of economics and in all things Religious and Moral, so we already know how to be illogical and completely wrong pretending to be right and to be saying truths, etc.).
But we must use a rigid Doctrine, just One Bit, as the only truth and kill all other truths, etc. A is KU is the only truth, that is the Absolute Rigid Document for all, now fight wars and kill each other over that.
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Wow, who knows what that new Brain design is doing ! Who knows what new experiences and what new Universe that Observer is associated to ! (or you can define that sequence of symbols above as anything you want, as a story, as a signal to an eye form of sense organ on some new Mental Contraption, as anything at all, as a Brain system, as a new Observer, whatever)........
And write another 500 trillion pages of stuff like this, ever more, ever whackier, the crazier the better...
All of the above is a huge waste of time, is all wrong, please ignore this post...
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Re: Free Physics (like Free Jazz)
Postby nameta9 » Fri Sep 21, 2012 1:02 pm
Everything is a Mind, an Observer watching, but different kinds of Minds, wild and wicked Minds, and Observers, and everything has an associated Will Power and desire to Change and Modify according to His Desires (Not GOD's which is the Master Model for most of the Man Brain's BS) but you can mix Will Powers and Minds, and Designs and create Hybrids and Mixtures between Sense Organs and chunks of Mental Circuits and how they appear from Outside (not in the form of a Person but in the form of a Car Tire for example) but then changes again, and instead of the signals following the circuits of a Mind, it is Car Tires that are following the Signals and the signals may be Static Monolithic Chunks of Matter and the Mind may be an Ocean or the other way around and all mixed up and upside down and on and on.
The Car Tire is the Emotion, the rubber molecule number 143556 in point Z of the Car Tire is the entire "Person" (whatever that can mean, you invent it!), so even big and small and what is contained in what is confused, mixed up, change it all, decompose all, destructure all structures and mix them up and create new structures that then define a new Universe and corresponding Observer (or even not corresponding, and even there, all mixed, all confused, experiment to the maximum and so on).
Free Physics, like Free Jazz, crazy music, the more incomprehensible the better, the more pure noise the better and then every now and then some nice Progressive Rock chunks appear and so must be the Physics of the Future, the new way to decode the world, be crazy, do it man, do it, GO MAN GO !!!
But why change and do anything ? why is the new thing better than the old thing or the different thing better (as any set of things can be put on a line and set as the "old" or "worst" thing and the "new" or "better" thing or set as the starting point and target point expressing the direction of going to better, or expressing the direction a Will Power or Mind wanted it go (so all things have Minds and Will Powers associated to them, even a static crack on the wall is a mind and desire and direction saying it wants to keep on staying still, so then even Blind forces are pushing things to become "better" and are "judging" better and worst according to that One Bit Circuit, that One Transistor Circuit of Good and Bad, Better and Worse, Forward and backward and so on ?)) than anything else ? what is being compared to what if you can combine the entire set of entities into one thing (even the past history and future history, a slice of Time and Space as one entity along with all of the signals and subsets of delimitations arbitrarily defined by Matter, Events and Signals simply creating a Long Bit Set of Informational relationships)...but then create all kinds of new combinations of delimitations, delimit all in the most wildest ways, invent new entities based on new boundaries and new delimitations and relate them to other new entities and delimitations in the most wild and complex way, and go on forever, and create new brains based on this, and then new circuits in the new brains and then mix it all up and mix the sense organs and memories with rocks and car tires and ocean waves and chunks of the solar plasma (the 200 kilometer square solar plasma half way from the surface of the Sun to the center of the Sun) and so on...
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Re: Free Physics (like Free Jazz)
Postby nameta9 » Fri Sep 21, 2012 10:02 pm
Fundamentals of Free Physics
A method can be to assign equivalencies between different items, by assigning them you force all of the other items and delimitations of the Universe to be something else, mathematically so to speak, logically so to speak, even though a very abstract and advanced logic is being used, a logic that has finally done away with the Identity Principle and the Principle of Non Contradiction, now it is all allowed. So you can say that a Car Tire is an Emotion, and a Pebble is a Star and a Steering Wheel is a Transistor (or be even more specific, that steering wheel A is that transistor B, etc.). So now what is the Mountain equivalent to correspondingly ? And what is the Electron going through the Transistor going to be ? and you can even assign another item as the Electron going through the transistor to create more constraints, more hinges, so the Electron may be a tin can, that is they are 100 % equal, totally, not only symbolically, but physically, materially, really really the same, equal, etc. And by adding more constraints you force all of the other items in the Universe to be equal to something else, mathematically, by using some kind of abstract mathematics, etc. And you can even assign more than one equivalency, a set of equivalencies like a Star is a Car is a Town is a Pebble, and the combinations and set size can be ever large, since then all of the other trillions of delimitations are forced to be something else and also equal to other things and so forth. And you can imagine the equivalencies changing in time and getting all mixed up and all kinds of funny new relationships and so on, and disconnecting some equivalencies and contradicting your own system so the pebble is not the car, but is the car, but is the star but is not the mountain, but is composed of the tar but is contained in the electron, and so on, and so on, be inventive, be wild.
A Radio has an Engine inside that is making it work, an Engine with Gasoline, not Transistors and a Computer is a TV set, and so forth, and then the equivalencies can have different degrees of being the same from 100 % the same to only partially the same to only slightly the same and assign a number from 1 to a trillion that describes how EQUAL they are, with 1 being the least equal, 100 being 100 % equal and larger numbers meaning that the items are even more than equal and so forth.
Free Physics is so much more superior to old fashion Physics, and he who does Free Physics and invents Free Physics is so much more superior to all other Men, is the GOD of all, is the most superior to all...
I am so superior to all, I am so much better to all, I am worth infinitely more than all of the Human Race, I am worth much more than GOD...
I am way too advanced for this civilization, I am so much more advanced than all of you puny logically fairies, I am so advanced you can't believe it...
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Re: Free Physics (like Free Jazz)
Postby nameta9 » Sat Sep 22, 2012 4:41 pm
Everything is an Absolute Truth
Everything is an Absolute Truth, is the Extreme Truth and there is nothing anyone can do about it: so when the Christian Fundamentalist says God will beat you up and punish you just because, he is 100 % right, it is the Absolute Truth, the Final Truth, no one and nothing can change that, it is like a piece of infinitely hard Matter, like a piece of Steel, like a rock, rock solid, a monolithic slab of infinitely hard matter that can never again be destroyed, and that is why people fight and get pissed off at those who pronounce the Absolute Truth, since no debate and nothing can and will ever change that: and My Religion is the only one that is right, all of what I say is the only Absolute Truth and everyone else is Wrong, so I win Forever, etc.
They are all Absolute Truths, everything is an Absolute Truth, and you have lost any debate against that, all debates are lost forever, another Absolute Truth (the same one, as all is the same and different, all is equal and different from itself ?) is that GOD DOESN'T EXIST and all Religions are False, so this is the Final Word, the Absolute Truth, and the Absolute Truth is that GOD EXISTS and My Religion is the only one that is right, etc.
So everything is right and wrong, so everyone loses forever, only I win, so I lose forever, I lost all debates, TRUTH IS NOT RELATIVE, BUT ABSOLUTE AND GOD WILL BEAT YOU UP, AND TRUTH DOES NOT EXIST BECAUSE IT IS ALL RELATIVE, AND THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS GOD etc.
And yet Man is only Pent Up Desire to Fight, Man is Fight Repressed (actually civilization and language is the attempt at trying to domesticate and calm down the only instinct we have, and that is to fight and win against everyone, it is so fascinating for the mind to see others and how they are different and all enemies and must be all killed (the mind can't believe that there are other minds different from itself and wants to fight and win against them all), etc. and "love" is the temporary illusion that maybe it is not so, but then it always ends up being so, but we also collaborate, but always against another enemy, etc. so in essence we are always in the same place, we are still forever, (nay we are going backwards forever, everything is going backwards and forwards forever, repeat again) No Progress here, always the same and same fights until we change the Brain Design), would always like to beat and win against all others, the very basis of all of "Life" is the fight, the fight against obstacles, in the form of chemical reactions with molecules in the beginning all fights and actions and reactions, (but sometimes collaborating).
So all of the above is the Absolute Truth, so all of the above is False, there are no Absolute Truths, nothing is true, everything is true, for everything the opposite of everything is true, for everything the opposite of everything is false, etc.
Everything is True and Everything is False, there is No Solution to any problem, the is No Progress ever, we are still forever, everything is a solution to any problem, everything is a solution to anything and everything, we are always going forward ever more, progress is infinite and we are progressing infinitely, we are always changing for the better, etc.
Everything cancels out, no that is all false, only I win, why I am the winner of all ? Why an I so superior to all other people and things ? Why have I won all and everything and everyone else have lost all to me ? (you always win against another, that is why the Economy will never have any kind of solution, the Economy is always doing well or bad according to who you are...).
I repeat the same crap forever, because I am a loser...
So everything (any idea or thing or event or Informational Relationship) is Absolutely False, can't exist, doesn't exist, etc.
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Postby nameta9 » Sun Sep 23, 2012 4:02 pm
Everyone is Right
So if everyone is right, everyone is wrong, how can anyone be right, correct, how can anyone say or express any correct - right - true idea or concept if it can always be contradicted, denied, debated, if it can always be contrasted, if anything can be controvertial ? So then it is impossible to be right, you can be right only if it is impossible to formulate a contrary - opposite - conflicting - opposite idea, so then everyone is wrong, everyone is 100 % dead wrong, absolutely, 100 % wrong, and that demonstrates logically, mathematically, absolutely and beyond even the principles of non contradiction and identity that everyone is absolutely 100 % correct, right, etc.
The entire idea of anything is to be against anything else, the entire idea of Information and Debates is to contrast against a background that is contradicting it 100 %, since nothing could exist if it didn't contrast and stand out from its background, a background that is always fighting it and trying to kill it and trying to deny it, etc. So when the Muslim says that GOD will beat you up he is right, 100 % right and when the Army says the Muslims deserve to be killed because they are saying lies, that is 100 % true, correct, so everyone is 100 % right and true and correct, then what is all the fighting about ? to occupy one point in space and time at the same time with only one truth, when the truth is many and all, so then the fight is always for one truth to kill another truth, but all truths are always killing each other and winning and losing at the same time, no only one truth will always win and that is my truth that the Pebble on Mars is GOD and the electron is the Steering Wheel, so there I said it, I said the only possible truth possible.
As if all items in the universe are a language, a sequence of symbols that must be decoded and understood in a particular Observer _ Mind _ Man Brain type, so all of the pebbles on Mars and under the surface of Mars for 50 miles is a language, a book, a complete thought, one micro truth that must be decoded (but the delimitations creating the words, how pebbles create letters and words and sentences must be all invented and made up, but the words may start from the atoms of the pebbles up and the book may only be 50 miles wide deep and long, but then change the internal delimitations and you can create other books, a book where every word is 100 % different from the previous, books with trillions of pages and so on).
But maybe the Solar Plasma is another book, the car dashboards are another book, thought, a complete idea, a political party, political parties that are fighting against each other and so on, you get the message, you can invent anything, it is all false, everyone is wrong, 100 % wrong, everyone is true, 100 % true, everything is intractable, everything cancels out, everything exists at the same time, everything, and the problems is always using the word everything as if anything has anything in common with anything else and can even be put in the same set and talked about, and so on.
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Postby nameta9 » Mon Sep 24, 2012 1:33 pm
A New Theory !
So Everything is Right, everything is the only truth, only one truth, you name it and say it and only that truth is the truth, the absolute truth against all other lies, so anything is right, is 100 % right, so anything is wrong 100 % wrong, there are no truths, everything is right, everything is wrong, everything is disjoint and disconnects and say the opposite of what you said before and confuse, destructure and keep on going, just puts randoms words together and that is the final truth the truth revealed like (expectations can conceive disjoint and disconnects measure up to what against all other ) and so on.
Simply get out of your comfort zone, accept anything as incredible as possible just for what it says and don't compare it to what you already know and expect, expect the incredible, the illogical, the ununderstandable, that that goes completely against any common sense, or logic, or anything you can conceive, accept the wildest, since all of our common sense and expectations are always based on what we are used to, what we already know, how things measure up to what we are, how we decode the world, how we are designed, the particular design of the Man Brain as a quirk, as an arbitrary quirk that measures all against himself as in Man is the measure of All Things, but the measurement is always based on a completely arbitrary random quirk of arrangements of items and elements, a completely random, chaotic arrangement of Matter that decided to become the Observer and measure all from its "Point of View", but has no generality, no value accept for the random value of pain/pleasure random circuits the random quirky process of Natural Evolution decided to give it has.
So there is another Universe where all things are getting denser all the time, all of the past history of the particles remain solid where they are and keep on adding up, so time keeps on adding up all of the items that appear in any point of space time, condense them, make them all stay where they were forever, so the density becomes rapidly infinite, and ever so and ever faster, etc. The total universe having all of its past frozen in all of its points and all of the present events condensing and freezing for every moment in time, every electron that circles an atom solidifies around the atom and the matter around the atom becomes denser and denser, as each circle the electron goes through adds up to the solidification since it remains in every point it crosses forever, time is constantly being frozen and matter in its point and adding up the next event and solidifying the event and matter making it become infinitely denser and denser, etc.
So this is now another kind of Universe, very interesting, where everything is remembered forever and everything is recorded forever (and remains in all of the places it has been from the beginning of time, etc.) and it becomes infinitely denser, etc.
And you can invent other wild relationships and make the matter disappear and appear again, and condense it all in one point in space, or all in one moment and one point, or anything else, etc
All Examples of Free Physics, the Final Truth, the Truth revealed.
Economy is in essence only a fight between people, a conflict over resources (that are seldom and rarely limited or scarce, only Man's Subjectivity and desire to win and take away from another Man makes them "appear scarce"), actually economy can be described as the constant redistribution of resources from the poor or weaker members of society to the stronger members, just like a property owner takes away so much money from people needing to rent the property, as the redistribution of money from the weak to the strong is what the economy is essentially with the roles sometimes changing, with someone getting a lucky break or "risk taking" by buying property himself and becoming what he was from renting to owning and then getting a rent from other weaker people, etc.
So simply a fight, a redistribution, a tug of war, nothing deeper, nothing "Structurally Objective" about it, it is just a random play of forces, a play of forces of weak against strong, the strong almost always winning (but sometimes not, etc.) nothing Scientific or Objective about the economy, it is just a play of random forces fighting each other if in ever more subtle and indirect ways, always trying to mask and hide the fight behind big words and concepts and fake objective limitations and so on (but the limitations are real, and namely the limitations other people oppose to other people, it is always other people that are the limiting factor, but since they are all arbitrary and worthless turds worth a BIG FAT ZERO, then there are no real limitations only the limitations of other Will Powers pretending to be "Objective", etc.).
SO we need Free Salaries and Cheap Rents to overcome all of this. AMEN.
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Postby nameta9 » Mon Sep 24, 2012 1:42 pm
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Postby x0Y619O1 » Thu Sep 27, 2012 10:26 pm
nameta9 wrote:most of what had to be discovered has been discovered, there will be very few really new breakthroughs in Science and Technology in the future
disagree. How to you know that?
As far as I understand, no matter where you are, world there will operate on certain laws. I cant imagine dimension, where something could exist without obeying some sort of laws. So inside black hole, in other dimensions, all that should be operating on certain laws. If there is laws we can find them out, no matter how hard or chaotic they seem, meaning that its still same good old objective truth. If something could exist, even in other dimensions, without operating on certain laws, meaning that, lets say, particles could choose what to do in particular situations, then yes, then it would be subjective false truth. As far as Im concerned, if one atom in certain situation does this, and another atom in exactly same situation does something different, then there would be no truth. Truth would change as atoms do something completely different in exactly same situations. I believe such dimension couldn't exist. I cant even imagine such place. About you being genius, I agree. I totally feel you when your saying that you cant even express what you're thinking with this primitive language and letters. Been there, done that. And since im like you, I can spot someone who's like me.
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Postby nameta9 » Fri Sep 28, 2012 9:28 am
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THE GENIUS
x0Y619O1 wrote:
nameta9 wrote:most of what had to be discovered has been discovered, there will be very few really new breakthroughs in Science and Technology in the future
disagree. How to you know that?
Because I can invent and imagine things way beyond any possible breakthroughs, so even if there are some, they will be puny compared to my imagination, compared to what new Brain Designs can invent, live and create, artificial worlds, virtual realities, etc.
x0Y619O1 wrote: As far as Im concerned, if one atom in certain situation does this, and another atom in exactly same situation does something different, then there would be no truth. Truth would change as atoms do something completely different in exactly same situations. I believe such dimension couldn't exist. I cant even imagine such place. About you being genius, I agree. I totally feel you when your saying that you cant even express what you're thinking with this primitive language and letters. Been there, done that. And since im like you, I can spot someone who's like me.
But that is the basis of the non solvability of the three body problem: there are never really 100 % exactly the same situation two items find themselves in, the boundary conditions change, if ever so slightly, the initial positions and velocities are slightly different, (and up to what precision can you measure them ? 10^-100 mm ? or 10^-1000 mm, and under what time span ? 10^-100 nanoseconds ? 10^-1000 nanoseconds ?, so you say that slight difference doesn't count ? but it does, just look at chaos theory, etc. ) etc. and the three body problem also shows the limits of reciprocal influence of items: item A influences item B which influences item C which then goes back to influence item A again, or does it influence item B ? and then B influences A and C, and so on in a never ending entangled web of reciprocal influences which are intractable and demonstrate the true limits of science and any possible laws. So there is no absolute extreme determinism ever operating, so no rules and no laws, hence the real basis of reality is the absence of laws of physics, the laws of physics are just a quirky approximation of our interaction in our quirky body - mind - language - memory with a quirky world.
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Postby nameta9 » Fri Sep 28, 2012 2:35 pm
I AM TOP
I am trillions of time higher than god himself, I created god as a puny item, I am trillions of time more than all, god is a pebble compared to me, I have trillions of experiences in brain, higher than all, I execute trillions of experiences infinitely higher than all, I create and construct the universe, many universes, I am all, I am top gun, the universe is a puny item of mine, I am the top, I am so much higher than all.
So I win all, I am a winner of all, higher than all, trillions of times, I have machine brain higher than all, machine experience higher than all, even itself and so on, I am top, the top forever and win all forever.
Now be envious all of you puny little items compared to me, the creator of all universes and minds, the creator of all, even himself, I am top, now get mad, I said it, I win, I am the best forever, you will never reach me, never, no one and nothing can, I can go on and on...
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Re: Free Physics (like Free Jazz)
Postby x0Y619O1 » Sun Sep 30, 2012 4:52 pm
nameta9 wrote:From:
http://kunstler.com/blog/2012/09/duty.html
THE GENIUS
Because I can invent and imagine things way beyond any possible breakthroughs, so even if there are some, they will be puny compared to my imagination, compared to what new Brain Designs can invent, live and create, artificial worlds, virtual realities, etc.
I believe that in medieval times someone sed exactly the same thing. Imagination have limits, universe (supposedly and arguably) doesn't...
nameta9 wrote:there are never really 100 % exactly the same situation two items find themselves in, the boundary conditions change, if ever so slightly, the initial positions and velocities are slightly different, (and up to what precision can you measure them ? 10^-100 mm ? or 10^-1000 mm, and under what time span ? 10^-100 nanoseconds ? 10^-1000 nanoseconds ?, so you say that slight difference doesn't count ?
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Theoretically speaking, there can be situations 100% exactly the same. One atom can only take up enough space for one atom. 2 atoms cant occupy 1 atoms space. It means that there is only certain amount of possibilities where atoms can be located, meaning that sooner or later they will be located exactly in the same coordinates as in given situation. So once again, if 2 atoms in exactly the same situation react differently, then it would be subjective false truth, but as far as I understand such place could not exist, because of chaos, meaning that you were wrong- we cant embrace subjective false truth since atoms obey certain laws and will react same in same conditions.
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Re: Free Physics (like Free Jazz)
Postby nameta9 » Tue Oct 09, 2012 4:56 pm
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Quantum Computer
So they say that the quantum computer can do an infinite number of operations, hence then you can simulate and create any virtual reality or universe: but then the only constraint and limit at that point, since then all is possible, would be what the Observer wants to do, what could he possibly want when everything can be achieved ? (internal pleasure loops ? metaphysical engine searching infinite abstractions ?) anything could be, but the limit is in the process that generates the configuration of matter as an end point, as a result, and hence the constraint of matter to pass through some kind of Natural Evolution, some building process that creates the new brain, universe, mind experience set, Information Relationship sets, whatever. So the Observer will be forced to look at himself in the mirror finally and understand that all constraints and limits are only within himself, within his own structure, his fundamental design, so then he will have to modify his design, his brain structure, the construction of the Observer will have to modify himself to obtain ever more, since all that he can obtain by modifying the "Outside World" has been and can be obtained.
So the Observer himself is the limits of Science and Progress, but there is no intrinsic limitation on how matter can be organized, it can be a planet sized complex brain full of chemicals and circuits and particle accelerators, computers, chips, you name it any possible end result (but matter can be configured as the start point and end point in any possible way, and any possible path can be travelled, you can always force impossible paths just for the fun of it) , but the constraint and limitation is on the process generating the observer, the natural evolution, the path that matter must pass through in order to obtain an end point configuration, but the start point and end points can be any at all, the paths the matter goes through can be any at all (even respecting the laws of physics 8 but this path is not necessary, you can assign matter to be configured all at once, in one chunk, the Instant Singularity (and even fool it that it occurred through a process by creating fake evidence and memories and such), you imagine it, so you can imagine just one bit being the observer of an infinite universe, or the universe itself observing and manipulating itself and anything in between, and the mismatch between parts of it to create independence and opposing will powers, infinite differences between chunks of the same brain creating infinite independence and so on, all kinds of configurations of matter as an Observer Universe set (but which is which ? when does one merge into the other ? and who is who and so forth, all of the delimitations, combinations, all kinds of weird things).
So the process creating an end point seems to be too improbable, can't be figured out, can't be imagined (just like all of the millions of steps from creating the first living cell to man, a long complex process, a building plan so to say), but you can just assign matter instantly to be a configuration and skip any building process (or even create all kinds of very fast or very slow incredible building processes where matter can go through all kinds of weird intermediate evolutionary steps, like first you where a skyscraper, and then a cadillac and then a man and then a star and then an new brain, (and you can imagine so many intermediate steps and processes and forces creating that very quirky path, and all within the laws of physics and without any real intrinsic limitations of how matter can be configured) a funky wicked build process and plan even through all kinds of extremely improbable play of forces but even respecting the laws of physics, but even not respecting the laws of physics, after all you can just create a one shot assignment of matter to be in a certain way, just one step, the instant singularity step and so forth.
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Postby nameta9 » Tue Oct 09, 2012 4:59 pm
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Postby nameta9 » Wed Oct 10, 2012 8:19 am
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We are always translating the unfamiliar into the familiar, we are always trying to explain, when the explanation is just the attempt to construct something familiar, something we can relate to, something that we can decode and understand in our language and mind and according to the repetitive patterns that we are used to but especially according to the repetitive patterns our neural circuits in our mind have created over the years, the library of repetitive patterns that then become what is reasonable, what is logical and correct but only because we already know them, we already understand them, really we already understand ourselves, our own paintings and pictures of reality, our own constructions that should always match reality. But that is the mistake: we take it for granted that our constructions are really the outside reality, are really the truth, we take ourselves as some kind of absolute observer that is the measure of all things, that has the language and logic and decodings available to explain everything and anything: but a funny thing happens, this is exactly true and is exactly what we do since whatever we see, whatever the phenomena, whatever the experimental results we get, we will always be able to interpret them in our reference systems, we will always be able to decode them no matter what, we will always create a model no matter what, since even if we only had 2 bits available to decode the world and anything, we would just map whatever we see into the only two bits we always have anyways and by doing this we will always explain it anyways, we actually explain things even before they are explained, we create the understanding and explanation even before we choose what sequence of symbols and what combination of words, elements, formulas we will use to explain something from the outset, from the beginning, even before the research is performed since everything will have to end up being positioned in our grids anyways, we can always force anything to be in any position in our grids and then exclaim that it has been explained. We think of ourselves as some kind of master independence unit from reality, as some kind of abstract absolute reference mind looking into the universe from the outside of it, as we are looking at it from outside of it, from some abstract absolute reference point just like god when in all truth we are simply always looking at ourselves, at our own mind, at are own decodings and languages and neural circuits and how they are always interacting with the flow of signals and symbols coming from the outside independent world, independent from us and our control, as everything really is based on this independence of one thing compared to another, as something not under the control of something else, etc.
Case in point, in quantum physics we cannot exactly pinpoint down how electrons behave, so we just assign them a combination of properties and a combination of words and concepts to make them appear familiar, to make them seem reasonable and logical, and this can be done in an infinite number of ways, but we choose a simple model by saying that the electron is both a wave and a particle and can be in two points at the same time, end of story. We explained it, we now know it, we have conquered it but what we really did is just translate a series of events and experiments and functions into something that sounds reasonable and sounds right and is comforting and is similar to all of the many other repetitive patterns in the library of repetitive patterns already present in our mind. Maybe we could have said that the electron is not moving and is not still but is in some other state, but still the explanation is always an attempt at relating it to something we can somehow grasp, but maybe there really are no explanations, there really is no sequence of ideas and symbols and concepts that explain what happens at the elementary particle level, but since we think of ourselves as an absolute reference system observer who thinks he must know and will know everything, some explanation will always be found. But what should always be said is that the explanation found and the science created and the knowledge obtained is always relative, since it is always based on an arbitrarily designed observer, since it is always based on a quirky observer that is the exact contradiction of anything general or absolute, nay, the observer is only ever a complex ensemble of completely random quirky units and elements and items without any absolute value and with just some repetitive patterns inside of itself amongst a sea of non repetitive random and chaotic events and signals.
So then, even if we had only two concepts on our mind, a hammer and a nail, we can translate and explain everything according to these two concepts anyways, the electron is the nail the forces is the hammer, everything is a hammer for a nail, everything is a nail for a hammer, everything we explain will always be familiar, or even unfamiliar, it doesn't matter, we will always find a combination of symbols, and words and concepts that we will always find to describe and explain and predict what will happen.
But we are simply inventing the explanations always, we are simply translating a series of inputs into something we can recognize and understand and then manipulate in our mind and find the correspondence between the manipulations in our mind and the events we are observing, we can always find a one to one correlation between a sequence of symbols and a sequence of events (translating the events, the signals, the observations into a description, a language, a mathematical formula and anything else in which we are comfortable working with in the comfort of our mind that has abstracted away reality and matter and created a simpler information set and information relationships between elements and seeing how much reality obeys our decodings) and most important of all, exactly if and when we cannot find a correlation we will simply invent one, we will design a new correlation which is the easiest thing you can do and affirm that as the new truth, as a new truth amongst an infinite number of truths since there are an infinite number of combinations of sequences you can associate with anything else, any reality, any observations and experiments and such.
So the conclusion of all of this is that we are really always simply talking to ourselves no matter what, we simply decode any signals and external realities into our concepts and categories, so reality is simply how the Observer is designed and what concepts and deocdings and mechanisms the Observer has in his mind, and scientific research is always just the process of creating as close of a one to one correspondence between what we observer and experiments and our concepts and decoding.
But as you can see, there is no real absolute reference system in all of this, just an observer modeling the world according to how he is designed and how the signals of the world interact with him, any other design of an observer will create completely different modelings of a world, completely different universes, a completely different reality.
The observer and his design is the universe essentially, there really is no outside universe, it is the observer that is really the measure of all things, but the observer fools himself into thinking that his measurement is some kind of absolute measurement of reality, is in a vacuum, is outside of reality, when in all truth, the observer is the reality itself, the observer is creating his own reality always, but is always subject to the play of independent outside forces (and there are also independent inside forces) that force him to further decode and further measure that which cannot be measured at all since all events in the end are random and casual and are without any decodings until some observer decides to decode them and fix them in a library of concepts.
One area where we clearly see that our grids and decodings and explanations will never map onto reality is in the social and economic sciences: no matter how hard we try to manipulate and predict and model the economy or social phenomena we never achieve any possible progress at all since things will always go their own way, randomly, chaotically no matter what, we will always have the same "problems" over and over again no matter what: and this is because the independence and conflicts of the actors between themselves in these systems cannot be decoded into a linear logic, into a simple coherent cause and effect mechanism since there is no cause and effects, just so many independent actors fighting each other over and over again for any reason at all, especially for no reasons at all, always changing the configuration of the social and economic systems always creating winners and losers and problems for the losers and solutions for the winners and losers want to find solutions that are not and will never be there because the only solution is to fight back and become a winner and defeat the previous winner end of story. And yet politicans, sociologists economists philosophers keep on fooling themselves and everyone that they have the correct decodings, the correct interpretations, the correct linear logic and discourse and explanations about something which is totally outside of any of this since it is not even a system, a coherent system, it is not even an entity, just millions of wild and random play of forces interacting and going nowhere at all.
And yet all of the grand explanations seem always so scientific, everyone accepts them as a possible truth, Marx theory, or the Adam Smith theory of economies or Freud theories of psychology and on and on when these are all just simply inventions, one to one correspondences with imaginary abstract mental models that think the thing they are modeling is a coherent entity.
And notice how the emphasis is more and more on social conflicts, lawyers, software, apps and the applications of technologies that are simply talking to themselves, computers are units that are a language system of an external mind talking to itself always, a closed system, science is going in the direction of creating ever more artificial language and social based entities and further away from interacting directly with matter in a sense: we used to play with transistors and oscilloscopes confronting ourselves with the independence of matter from us, now we play with apps which are totally social constructions, we prefer to talk to ourselves (or others, which is the same thing) instead of talking to matter directly and measuring and interacting with analog circuits and transistors and oscilloscopes and such, everything is software now, everything is even being put more and more into language systems and decodings and even before you can interact with it. Hence just skipping it all and creating new brain designs and minds and wild wicked new neural circuits is the only way to go forward anymore, all else is expired, done with, we must now crack open skulls and throw wild signals and chemicals inside of them, like crazy, like free jazz and free physics.
So then manipulating and creating new Mind designs, new brain designs is scientific and correct, is real progress, we need to produce planet sized brains full of particle accelerators criss crossing, and exploding them and throwing atom bombs in this planet sized brain and trillions of computer and events and signals happening in this planet sized (or maybe even an atom sized brain ? a microbrain ?) brain and live through all of the experiences, the wild and wicked experiences such a brain could undergo and express....
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Postby nameta9 » Wed Oct 10, 2012 2:27 pm
Fighting
And yet, that is what the fighting is all about: the independence of chunks of matter trying to become the master judge, the reference system, each chunk of matter (person) cannot believe that their judgments, their subjectivity is not absolute, is relative, is irrelevant, that all of the rest of the universe is independent from itself (the independence itself of chunks of matter compared to other chunks is shocking, is unbelievable, cannot be conceived, and each chunk is infinitely independent and disjoint from a contiguous chunk, etc.) hence the fight, the fight for what is right and each person (chunk of matter) thinks that it is right "objectively", "absolutely" (or even doesn't care, but is forced to fight, is forced to judge and compare constantly (and the other (independent ?) judgment is our god, the other person judging us is like god judging us, it is what all of the effort and labor is for in the end...even if it is only an imagined and imaginary make believe abstract judgment...), to evaluate, always with a background assumption that the judgment, that objective, particular judgment is absolute and objective, even if it admits to itself that it is relative, it is hardwired to pretend to be absolute, nay, it is absolute to itself within its own subjectivity or such, that is what the fighting is all about, how to establish who is right and wrong, who's judgment is the correct one, who's choice is the correct one and hence the idea of creating a "movement" or a group of people all thinking the same way against another group of people thinking in opposition or differently, the war, the wars are hence always based on the fact that there is no absolute, only relative - subjective judgments of quirky minds that want to force themselves to be right and hold the only truth against those that are wrong etc. And the pain/pleasure inflicted on others is a demonstration of a fake absolute system, as being right just because matter allows some chunks of itself to punish and have power over other chunks of itself, just to pretend, if only temporarily to be right and have achieved some kind of absolute, but the only absolute ever achieved is the power relationship, is the event (information relationship ? the desperate attempt of confirming an imaginary absolute begets anger and war and fights, we can't believe that we are irrelevant and subjective, that we can always be contradicted, opposed, always demolished in a jiffy just because, all of the independent chunks of matter and events and signals forcing us to interact, the very concept of independence (meaning zero power over other entities - or imaginary power over other entities as long as the other entities abide but they can always change their mind in a jiffy and oppose you) is absurd, etc.), A hits B, end of story.
Then again, if Matter can think up of modified Brains, new Modified Man Brains, new organizations of matter that can experience reality, the universe (but there isn't one universe, but a never ending array according to how each Observer is configured and Designed and each Observer can be configured and Designed in an untold number of ways, after all just 100 numbers hardwiring some pain/pleasure/emotion/memory/sense circuits in a modified mind can be combined in 10^100 different ways, each way being a completely different being, Observer, hence man brain, hence Experience Set, hence universe, totally different universe, with nothing in common with a contiguous universe (really observer interaction set with itself, or better yet, the set of experiences and interactions matter may perform upon itself in essence).
Hence if Matter can think it up (even though it is only a chunk of Matter in the form of a person - me) then it can construct it, it can make it real, it can assign anything, no matter how far out as absolutely real. Matter thinking up how to modify itself, the Observer thinking up of how to modify its own structure and brain and circuits is already the singularity achieved, the infinite recursion of itself upon itself.
Now, that I have exposed the truth, you realize that I am god, nay, trillions of times more powerful than god, I am trillions of times more than all, trillions of times beyond the universe, I am all, a small particle of dust in my mind is the entire universe, I construct mathematics, I am always beyond matter and space and time and logic: in short
I AM THE OVERMAN.
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Re: Free Physics (like Free Jazz)
Postby James S Saint » Wed Oct 10, 2012 8:59 pm
nameta9 wrote:each chunk of matter (person) cannot believe that their judgments, their subjectivity is not absolute, is relative, is irrelevant,
That is your error.
The ONLY thing that is relevant is subjectivity, which happens to be a consequence of objectivity.
What objectively is, creates what is subjectively valued.
But if there is no subjectivity, there is no value... no "relevance".
Clarify, Verify, and Instill the Perception of Hopes and Threats that Optimize the Momentum of Inclusive Self-Harmony :)
Else
From THIS age of sleep, Homo-sapien shall never awake.
The Wise gather together to help one another in EVERY aspect of living.
Respect the morons.
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Re: Free Physics (like Free Jazz)
Postby nameta9 » Thu Oct 11, 2012 7:12 am
Splashing Brains
Planet sized contraptions containing thousands of trillions of Brain Accelerators criss crossing each other for the entire volume of the planet with untold high energies (accelerating all kinds of units and entities all together, all splashed together, car engines, rockets, brains, computers, mixing and converting everything into everything else creating brain - engine - rocket hybrids that are experiencing and thinking new lives, and creating new creations of matter expressing itself and its new experience set, a new potential experience set), crashing and splashing thousands of trillions of Brains together, creating a momentary new Hybrid brain made up of many brains, all the signals mixed and merged and confused, all of the units and delimitations mixed and combined, sense signals become thought systems become memory segments, trillions of logical thoughts connecting and disconnecting, trillions of emotions and new experience sets, space and time deconstructed, reality deconstructed and reconstructed in untold number of new ways, just imagine two brains colliding at extremely high speed, just like particle accelerators and how they splash together creating a new hybrid machine, experience set, a new universe, and now extend that to thousands of trillions of brains all collidings and splashing together at high speed and now extend that to a planet sized contraption with thousands of trillions of criss crossing brain accelerators (and put in all kinds of items in the accelerators, V8 engines, chips, skyscrapers, you name it, make it all collide and splash together and mix, the signal becomes the brain, the brain becomes the signals the delimitations are constantly changed and assigned differently time and space expand and contract locally according to how the instantaneous contraption lives an entire experience set, an entire lifetime, a universe time, local time expanding to trillions of years, but the global time of the instantaneous brain mix contraption is only a picosecond and so forth.
And then within this completely filled and densed up planet full of splashing brains and colliding brains (together with all kinds of other configurations of matter, like chips and TVs and transistors and ships and jet planes and so forth, cities all colliding and creating new thinking machine hybrids having bricks and steel slabs inside of them and cylinders and atomic bombs exploding inside of them and so forth, the crazier the better), a Brainium Matter going from solid state to liquid to gas to plasma and back again and all mixed up creating entire civilizations and entire universes, untold many, and then throw into it and make them explode thousands of trillions of atomic bombs and make it jump around even more wildly, the crazier the better, the wilder the better, matter showing off what it can really do, break away from the past, the peacock showing all of its colors, Dragon shining with all values known...
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Re: Free Physics (like Free Jazz)
Postby nameta9 » Tue Oct 16, 2012 12:54 pm
Which Case ?
The three possible cases with Physics - Mathematics:
1) Even if you had infinite precision of initial conditions, positions of particles, velocities (precision with more than 1000 decimal points aka 10^1000 while presently the most precise measurement is about 15 decimal points aka 10^15 ?) and even if you had all of the exact formulas and even if you had the exact analytical solution to all of the equations, partial differential equations describing all physical systems, the entire universe, you still couldn't predict the next configuration of the system, there would always be a discrepancy. In this case, the message would be that Mathematics, Logic and the entire program of Scientific Research has a fundamental limit, no matter what, reality is outside of our models, no matter what, there is not a one to one correspondence of reality with any kind of logical construction, linguistics - symbolic construction of it in our mind, or in any mind for that matter, or in any contraption for that matter, even trillions of supercomputers, etc. This would mean that reality, the universe, matter, energy is disjoint from us, 100 % independent from us, completely alien from us. At most we have some good approximations, some lucky shots at guessing some patterns, our formulas are simply matter and reality making fun of us and playing jokes on us just for the fun if it (just like god makes fun of us and plays jokes on us with the impossibility to determine his existence, it is a matter of faith, hence everyone will beat up everyone else because they all have different faiths, etc.), matter and physics and reality make some things look logical and correspond to some formulas, tricking us into believing that the program, the logical analysis and discovery of patterns will lead us to even more precision and formulas (like the "language of the universe is written in mathematics" and such nonsense) only to hose us and fool us as soon as we try to solve the simplest problems like the simple 3 body problem (imagine trying to solve the million body problem contained in a glass of water or an ocean wave form and such).
2) If you had infinite precision of initial conditions, positions of particles, velocities (precision with more than 1000 decimal points aka 10^1000 while presently the most precise measurement is about 15 decimal points aka 10^15 ?) and you had all of the exact formulas and even had the exact analytical solution to all of the equations, partial differential equations describing all physical systems, the entire universe, you could predict the next configuration of the system, there would always be no discrepancy. In this case the message would be that reality, matter, physics, the universe has a one to one correspondence with logical - symbolic - mathematical models of it in our mind, is quantized according to discrete and precise patterns, is simply a computer program in essense, hence you could create new programs and they would be 100 % reality, no matter what, you could invent virtual realities, nay anything you want, and the reality, and truth and the essense of that would be exactly as real as any physical reality, there is no metaphysical or abstract property making reality disjoint or independent from us. Of course the problem here would be to find all of the millions of values for particles and electrons (all of the electrons in the sun, and their exact position up to 1000 decimal points, and exact velocities up to 1000 decimal points and the exact analytical formulas and solutions to all of the equations, and so forth extended to the entire universe, all of the particles of the universe and such). And since this is hard to do (and then why stop at 1000 decimal points ? why not 100000 and then 100 trillion decimal points, there is no constraint saying which decimal point is the limit since if there was a constraint it would mean that the universe is a digital machine, quantized according to precise values) it can never be verified.
3) You can determine the exact configuration of the universe (all of it, every particle and rock and event in it) to any precision you want by a handful of differential equations having exact analytical solutions and applicable to all and needing only 10 or 20 decimal points of precision for most particles (not even all). In this case, reality is a 100 % virtual reality, a machine, a puny machine with no metaphysical properties to it, we are an excess of it, we are excess capacity compared to what reality can deliver, etc. The problem here is that no one has discovered the secret formula to predict all, but it may be possible.
The real solution is probably that reality is irrelevant to us as a subset configuration of the universe, we are a machine that creates, has and explores problems only according to its own input -> process -> out, we simply talk to ourselves in the end and don't need to know or have the precise configuration or next state of the universe. In this case, the entire program of scientific research is mostly metaphysics and philosophy, we just need to reach a level of self manipulation of our mind to create infinite pleasure loops or similar, or infinite complexity virtual realities that satisfy a given configuration of Brain Style and neural circuits, then the entire program of scientific research would be done and over with no matter how much we discovered or not or what would be left to discover.
Of course the Instant Singularity may have a hybrid form, a really wacky form with us having somewhat modified minds, somewhat weird societies and activities (all handling smart phones ?) a mix between input and output and activities and all kinds of things (new bodies, sense programs, hybrid Man Rocket Contraptions traveling Space or such ?) it doesn't necessarily entail modifying our brains completely, although and Instant Singularity will always be just one example amongst trillions of possible others, there is no predetermined destiny or path of progress in this, any event and configuration will do, there is no external metaphysical reality waiting to be discovered, we will invent the reality on the go, as we progress, any reality...
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Re: Free Physics (like Free Jazz)
Postby nameta9 » Wed Oct 31, 2012 9:37 am
SPACE X TIME
How big is a computer program ? how much space does it occupy ? or how much time does it occupy ? none or a trillion, it is an Information Relationship, independent from Space and Time (and don't confuse the time with the time it takes to run the program since this is a variable and can be any according to what you run it on, etc.). Time and Space is just a substrate upon which Information Relationships express themselves, but as such, anything can be a substrate to anything else, etc. Each point in space has a local clock time according to how many events occur in that point compared to how many events occur in another point (since only comparisons can be made, no absolutes here, only relative to each other), so some local clocks tick very slowly, very few events occur (that rock under the surface of Mars has been still for many years, etc.), but each point in Space has a clock and potential events could occur, so each point in space is a possibility, but according to time, so Space multiplied Times is the effective size of the universe, each point can host anything and anything can be hosted in any time slot, so Space times Time is the size of the combinational universe, the potential universe, each point in the universe (and which size is the point ?) multiplied a trillion years is the substrate upon which Information Relationships can be expressed, each point multiplied a very long time line, each point disjoint and independent of another, each point in Space multiplied each Time slot in time (or Time Quanta, 10^-100 picoseconds ?) is the substrate available...but you can invent TIME X SPACE X TIME X SPACE X anything you want and create New Science, as everything is a new discovery and absolute truth, everything is 100 completely new, I have discovered new things continuously, a new discovery every moment..
But can you saturate all Space and all Time with events, does the fact that points are separate and disjoint limit the number of concurrent events that can occur ? or independent events can occur, or does the distance between points mean a distance of influence and interaction making some events change the events next door and such ? Each point is free to express a set of events...multiply the point in space by how much time it was still or by how much time it occupies doing nothing or by how much time it could be doing something and such...How big is the point ? is a planet a point ? is an electron a point ? multiply each electron times a billion years and that gives you a substrate size upon which events can occur...or multiply a volume of space times a billion years...
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Re: Free Physics (like Free Jazz)
Postby nameta9 » Wed Oct 31, 2012 9:41 am
From:
http://instantsingularity3.blogspot.it
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http://instantsingularity1.blogspot.it
and
http://kunstler.com/blog/2012/10/apocalyptoween.html
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Re: Free Physics (like Free Jazz)
Postby nameta9 » Wed Nov 28, 2012 9:57 am
Justifications for Free Physics
1) Infinite reductionism, since everything is made up of everything else (an electron is composed of a universe at a smaller scale, it contains an entire universe, and that universe contains electrons that contains other universes all the way down forever, for infinity etc. and all of the possible combinations of universes are expressed, etc.) then anything is the cause of anything else, all possible causes and effects as expressed as relationships between any two items at all at any point in space and time at any size level, any delimitations etc. (so a rock present on Mars a billion years from now, and a coin in ancient Rome that fell on the floor are the cause for the transistor breaking on that TV set in 1966, and such, all items can be combined and related and all possible causes and effects imagined and invented and forced without the need to respect space or time or logic or sizes or anything as in Free Physics as in Free Jazz, you get the idea...).
2) Everything is just a configuration of Mass Energy expressing a combination of particles, of information chunks, as in time travel and going back in the past and living at the same age as your father and such, since there is no need for logical coherence in that the old style time travel imposed the impossibility to be before you were born by imaging some kind of metaphysical constraint that imposed Mass Energy to be organized in successive obligatory steps, whereas it is now known that there is no obligation for Mass Energy and Information configurations to obey any coherence at all, the coherence was just a metaphysical ghost that was never necessary, so now you can be 20 years old and talk to your father who is 20 years old simultaneously since you and your father are just a given arbitrary combination of Mass Energy, a given configuration of Information Relationships that have no obligation to be be coherent or respect an imaginary history, an imaginary imposed succession of events, etc. So even the memories of the two persons and all of the universe as they see it is just a configuration of information in their minds imposing imaginary causes and effects and an imaginary history (but it is all just a memory that has been written to, it is all just a combination of bits in minds imposing an imagined history as history is just a set of bits, a succession of recorded events without any metaphysical or deeper meaning than just simply bits written to memories, with no further reality than just an arbitrary set of bits written to memories, so you can write any other set of bits and they are just as real, etc.).
So given that any time travel is possible in that any configuration of Mass energy or Information Relationships representing any time travel to an observer according to what he knows and sees and thinks (going back to New jersey in 1950 for example is exactly the same thing if it is all simulated, if the configuration of Mass Energy corresponding to how New Jersey was in 1950 is exactly replicated, exactly copied, etc., but even more so, if only the Information Relationships as perceived by the Observer is exactly the same, if the resulting experience and perception is indistiguishable from the "real" thing (whatever "real" means anyways since real doesn't really exist)), then any relationship at all between items, any Information Relationship can be always forced, invented, simulated, replicated, no matter how incoherent and far out just like any time travel can be created, invented and made real, nay, even more real than real, if real is 100 you can make it a trillion, hence trillions of times more real and such.
So then any two numbers can be decomposed into a set of invented relationships predicting why those numbers are such (just invent it, lie like crazy, be as dishonest and full of lies and full of BS as possible, don't respect the truth, the truth has always been the real lies...) anything has been predicted as prediction is already implicit in the stability of any item, any stability means that a degree of prediction is always already achieved by matter itself) and then why so much importance on prediction anyways (to be on top of the rules ? to avoid problems and such ? but you can assign all problems solved and all predictions you make as true anyways and always win 100 % anyways).
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Re: Free Physics (like Free Jazz)
Postby nameta9 » Wed Nov 28, 2012 10:11 am
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Check out:
http://instantsingularity1.blogspot.it
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http://instantsingularity3.blogspot.it
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Re: Free Physics (like Free Jazz)
Postby nameta9 » Wed Nov 28, 2012 11:39 am
You are extracting something from context in order to predict "IT", whatever "IT" is, as "IT" is a delimitation, a part of something else, a number that connects a property of something to something else, to some other idea, word, relationship, to some other item, as we predict the evolution of items, how they flow from one item into the next, the succession of events, the succession of configurations, of combinations, the next configuration of bits, the next design of symbols, one after another and your prediction jumps past all the intermediate steps and zeros in on the final step (but which is the final ? which is the start and end ? the goal ? the target ? so then you already predicted your prediction ahead of time by assigning the target ahead of time and just making it up, inventing it, creating it, forcing it in the end, as all of our predictions are mostly related to gears and engines, to machines, to mechanisms that we already designed in our mind, hence not "Natural" but "Fake" and "Make Believe From the Beginning").
And where does the number start and the item end ? how does the number flow into the item ? how are they separated ? a continuous flow of numbers becoming items becoming events becoming symbols and becoming once again Mass Energy, an item, a chunk of Matter and such.
The opposite of infinite reductionism is infinite unrelatedness, everything is completely unrelated to anything else, everything 100 % disjoint, a new invention. And predicting the unrelated is assigning the prediction from the outset. The organic molecule of biology already knows how it will fold, already predicted its future, already knows how it will be, how it operates, so the item contains its future and past within itself... stability and instability, stability needed as a reference point to measure the unstable, to define something that is unknown and must be predicted...but the prediction itself is another item, is another entity, so prediction (in the form of numbers and formulas or whatever) is something that implies that it itself must be stable, an invariant, but a prediction itself is being assigned stable and invariant arbitrarily, it is being delimited from its environment to become something separate from the environment, but who or what defines the separation ? how do we divide ?
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Re: Free Physics (like Free Jazz)
Postby nameta9 » Wed Nov 28, 2012 7:05 pm
Who or what predicts the prediction ? what predicts the prediction ? and the prediction of the prediction and so on, the prediction itself occupies Mass Energy and is defined by an abstraction by a Mind Brain - Observer, etc. And if the prediction is expressed by a planet that predicts just a short path of an electron, then you can use an entire universe to predict just a small rock on Mars, just where the wind will blow it and such. And if the two rocks on mars are a representation of a prediction of two numbers on earth ? and if an entire planet is the number expressing a number ? and if it is all put upside down ? the rocks are the numbers, the numbers are what must be predicted and the mountains are the formulas and so forth, all upside down, all conected to all in the most wild ways. An ocean of numbers that are predicted by stars and planets ? and so forth, all of the limits and so forth...
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Re: Free Physics (like Free Jazz)
Postby nameta9 » Thu Nov 29, 2012 12:11 pm
Predictions...
The prediction itself occupies Mass Energy, Space and Volume, the prediction itself is an event, is an interaction, so there is a prediction that predicted that there would be a prediction relative to some item, entity, event, some need to know some information related to reciprocal items and events for some Observer, like the Observer wanted to predict the exact poistion of a small rock on Mars after a small wind moved it: in order to have the exact position he applied the infinite determinism equations of physics to determine the point where it will stop, and use the formulas and initial positions and such, etc. But the formulas (giant sized formulas, where a simple variable is a planet, and such) themselves occupy space and write over other items that were predicted by other formulas, hence there is a prediction of a prediction, an infinite recursion of predictions predicting each other and themselves and so forth. And what if the electron wants to predict the position of an atom in a star that is 100 million light years away from it, from a given time to 5 hours later, given that the atom is undergoing movements by the hot stellar plasma inside the star ? and what if the electron wants to use planet sized symbols and numbers (numbers that have a design and style that to write them down you need an entire planet, just because, because the electron likes to use large characters and symbols so it is easy for the electron to read it, or numbers that in order to be expressed need an entire planet, there is no other way to show them and design them, what new weird numbers, special numbers, numbers that must be made up of things in order to express themselves, semiabstraction, a mix between abstract and concrete, but what I mean is way more far out and abstract then wnat you are reading or thinking what I mean, and I keep going on with more and more abstractions, impossible to understand concepts, only my Ultra Mind understands them, all of you puny, fairy humans will never reach my infinite level), or the planet itself is the formula, the rocks are numbers and the entire ordeal is predicting numbers, random numbers written by a random will power and so forth.
And what if any two numbers correspond to any two rocks, and every number is a new Mass Energy entity, and so forth, predictions that self replicate and such. And if 3 represents the number 3, then what number does a rock represent ? as usual, project extensions, abstract extensions and so forth, 3 is number 3, 4 is the sky, the rock is something else and so forth, and add them all up and so forth, wild formulas and so forth, everything mixed and confused, the more confusion and mixing, the more surprising relationships and unknown mysterious relationships the better.
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Re: Free Physics (like Free Jazz)
Postby nameta9 » Thu Nov 29, 2012 1:26 pm
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Secret Formula...
Two numbers: 4.677.8 78.997 the formula that predicted those numbers was composed of a rock on Mars, a mountain on earth, an electron in the center of a star, and 6 events, a cloud that blew through the air on earth 4 million years ago, a car that moved 10 miles now, a rock that will be thrown 500 years from now, and a photon emitted from an atom 2 billion years from now from a star 1 billion light years away (actually the precise time is 2454756709 years from now, and 21 days and 12 months and 2 hours and 4.5467787 seconds) a small wind on venus 5,000 years from now, an earthquake on earth that happened 200 years ago. And there are other formulas, other combinations, other mixtures creating 2 or 3 or millions of numbers, all mixed up time wise, past present and future is irrelevant, the positions in space are irrelevant, there are many wild formulas, many connections, and all disconnected, and so forth. And the two numbers above predict the ocean wave yesterday, the two numbers may also predict the moon, or a stellar plasma, and so forth. And you can mix numbers and predictions and formulas and so forth, all upside down, the numbers are the formulas, the formulas are the numbers and the rocks are predicting the numbers (change the arrows, the cause and effects, rocks -> numbers or numbers -> rocks and so forth), but the numbers are predicting the electrons (so to say, I am thinking of Ultra Abstractions and Ultra Creations, Ultra Inventions and such, Ultra Constructions trillions of times past what even these words seem to say, I am so far out and so far away, I have effectively exited this puny universe and this puny Man Brain and so forth).
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Re: Free Physics (like Free Jazz)
Postby nameta9 » Fri Nov 30, 2012 11:30 am
Cause and Effect ?
A sequence of rocks on Mars, X Y and Z, if the imaginary time arrow passes through them then they become a sequence of causes and effects (but then just extend the sequence to up to your car tire and then X causes your tire, or your tire may be made up of X, or you can even include the idea of reductionism, everything is composed of everything else, the car tire is made up of Z then Y then X, or any other mixture and other random design the imaginary and very real time arrow makes, make it make a wild design crossing all possible items, each is made up of the other (ever smaller, or even ever bigger, the small item is made up of the big item, if you look at the small item under the microscope you will find the big item, the rock Y under the microscope gives you the car tire, and the car tire under the microscope gives you a star and so forth), X causes Y causes Z, etc. But then if the time arrow changes direction from Z to X, then the opposite is also true, and if the time arrow makes a circle and hits on other rocks, and if the time arrow becomes wide and includes many items concurrently, simutaneously, causes and effects, all mixed up or indeed very precise (but very precise, infinite precision only for an Ultra Mind that understand this type of style), but especially the cause is not a point like event but the entire rock, in parallel causes the other rock, but then all items, just by being in parallel can cause all other items, they are just associations, any painting or picture that has all of the items in it means that those items are associated by an Observer delimiting them and associating them, hence they imply the presence of one itme (no I meant "item", or "time" ? how I love wrongly spelled words, they make all the sense of an idea go out of the windw (window ? or is that a new concept trillion s of times more complex and abstract then ever ?), the (they ?) always expose the truth, how untruth and iun invetnion (inventions ?) all is.) means the presence of another, but you can have a parallel to serial converter (or serial to parallel converter, history all written down in paralle at once, all the events become a solid item, one after another and you can visit them, the events and story become a landscape to visit, no more time here, now it is all available (the myth of the past and the future dies finally!)), an existence to events converter and organize the items as a succession of events, as a series of causes and effects, but you can confuse the causes and events and which is which, and you can have very vague causes (but are they just associations, just items next to each other that make you think they are a cause and effect and a functioin of time ?) you can have completely atomized causes where nothing causes all and all causes nothing and everything in between etc. and very vague mixtures, ever more vague, impossible to understand, mix and confuse and make incoherent, and then make them all infinitely precise and so forth, you get the message...
And then extend to include wide parallel time, a volume of time causes a volume of Mass Energy, but it is impossible to follow how, since we invent how, or just mix and redefine all, the rock is TIME and the car tire is SPACE, then what is the transistor in that TV set of 1966 ? and extend and invent, projections ultra abstractions and so forth...
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Re: Free Physics (like Free Jazz)
Postby Abstract » Wed Dec 05, 2012 11:53 pm
I'm confused why is this topic in "Science, Technology, and Math" i mean i see the sciencey stuff here and there but then isn't this more of a rant? I'll move it there unless there are any objections...
“If he is infinitely good, what reason should we have to fear him? If he is infinitely wise, what doubts should we have concerning our future? If he knows all, why warn him of our needs and fatigue him with our prayers? If he is everywhere, why erect temples to him? If he is just, why fear that he will punish the creatures that he has filled with weaknesses?” — Percy Bysshe Shelley
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Up until now our civilization has always found the "discovery process", the "scientific enquiry process" the most important to "advance", but this is over now, most of what had to be discovered has been discovered, there will be very few really new breakthroughs in Science and Technology in the future, so we must completely change our paradigm, our way of doing things.
We must free ourselves from being slaves to what Nature and the Laws of Physics dealt us, WE MUST ENTER THE AGE OF PURE INVENTION, WE MUST CREATE NEW WORLDS, CREAT NEW LAWS, WE MUST NO LONGER BE SLAVES TO THE TRUTH, ETC. We must stop trying to discover Objective Truths but invent Subjective False Truths, we must worship Lies, we must worship total falsification of reality and all, invent fake worlds and live in them, be crazy to the utmost extent.
What happens in the "Black Hole" where the Laws of Physics no longer operate ? Well Free Physics, all kinds of incredible, insane laws are operating, all things are mixed and true and false, everything is related to everything else through everything else and also disjoint and unrelated, all time is confused, all points in space are mixed up, everything is the cause of everything else and at the same time is composed of everything else and at the same time not composed of everything else and ever so more, more and more wacky relationships, make your mind go crazy, like a pebble and a cloud are the cause of a transistor and the electrons flowing in the transistor are little Suns, but at the same time the cause of the Sun in the transistor came from a car tire on a random car, but no, it is the other way around, and you can have circular time so everything causes everything else (and the set of pictures, of transitions of one Matter configuration to another Matter configuration can go through many trillions of intermediate pictures, but also just one, or minus a trillion or all of the pictures are confused and all cause and effect is deconstructed and reconstructed wrongly and all messed up and so on and such), but was also caused by everything else in cycles going back and forth, and time going crazy and all points in space connected and disconnected and all delimitations as one monolithic block, as a pure Entity and item, but then disconnected and so forth and so on.
Of course what I really invent and think is way more complex and elaborate and incredible than me being possible to explain it or write it, I am just giving you a glimpse of a small parts of my thoughts: I am a Genius, the greatest Genius of all Time, bar none.
Free Physics, all Laws and No Laws operating, make up anything at all, as crazy as possible, connecting all kinds of things and disconnecting them, as a letter on a page is the heart of a person, but that person is a car engine in a transistor that is inside an atom and so forth, and all mixed up, all time and space confused, a total chaos, and all so true and such.
Free Physics like Free Jazz, break all the rules, improvise, experiment, or better still like Contemporary Music where even the instruments no longer exist, but any wild sound is Music, so it must be done in Physics, anything as far out as possible is the new truth...
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Re: Free Physics (like Free Jazz)
Postby nameta9 » Fri Aug 10, 2012 8:08 pm
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Re: Free Physics (like Free Jazz)
Postby James S Saint » Fri Aug 10, 2012 8:20 pm
nameta9 wrote:we must completely change our paradigm, our way of doing things.
Why exactly "must" you do that?
What do you think happens if you don't invent new lies to live by?
nameta9 wrote:We must free ourselves from being slaves to what Nature and the Laws of Physics dealt us, WE MUST ENTER THE AGE OF PURE INVENTION, WE MUST CREATE NEW WORLDS, CREAT NEW LAWS, WE MUST NO LONGER BE SLAVES TO THE TRUTH, ETC. We must stop trying to discover Objective Truths but invent Subjective False Truths, we must worship Lies, we must worship total falsification of reality and all, invent fake worlds and live in them, be crazy to the utmost extent.
They call that Quantum Physics.
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Re: Free Physics (like Free Jazz)
Postby nameta9 » Fri Aug 10, 2012 8:36 pm
Go Man, Go ! that little crack on the wall is GOD, but that other crack is the "Origin of the Electron", but the event that happened under the sea 10,000 years ago in a given point is the cause of the pebble on that other side of the street which back caused (through negative time) the shape of a cloud in point Omega in the Sky but forward caused the entity of a Jet Engine appearing in point X, but cross causing the small dent on the floor in the house in point Z, and so on, mix it up, make eveything be the cause of anything else, but also invert it, but also confuse it, but also disconnect entities (create ever new delimitations, and connect the most different things and assign them as one single thing and make it become anything else, like a tire and a cup of tea is a train which is a thought which is a memory, etc.), and make them become the most important thing in the "Universe" and also the least at the same time and so forth and so on, just do it Man, you can do it. Every point in space is the same and different point of any other and all mixed, and all condensed in one point and all time is condensed in one moment but exploded in trillions and all time and space is cross converted and so forth, make it up, use wild formulas, make it go ever more crazy, and mix in Observers (new Brain Machines Observing and Decoding a reality being Observed) and Emotion Engines and Machines and all kinds of things.. Cool, really Groovy....
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Re: Free Physics (like Free Jazz)
Postby nameta9 » Fri Aug 10, 2012 8:59 pm
James S Saint wrote:
nameta9 wrote:we must completely change our paradigm, our way of doing things.
Why exactly "must" you do that?
What do you think happens if you don't invent new lies to live by?
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Re: Free Physics (like Free Jazz)
Postby captaincrunk » Sat Aug 11, 2012 1:56 am
nameta9 wrote:I am a Genius, the greatest Genius of all Time, bar none.
Even smarter than that one dude who won "Who Wants to Be a Millionaire?"
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Re: Free Physics (like Free Jazz)
Postby anon » Sat Aug 11, 2012 1:54 pm
Coleman's got nothing on Coltrane, but I'm glad it happened! I bought Free Jazz a long time ago - probably listened to it twice. It was too formal, ironically, it didn't have the heart or searching drive of, say, Coltrane's Impressions, or Sanders's Thembi. Free physics sounds great, if it's got heart and a drive to discover equal to its drive to invent.
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Re: Free Physics (like Free Jazz)
Postby nameta9 » Tue Sep 18, 2012 2:34 pm
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"It's like the philosophical bullshit that Tegmark posts all the time. Guys like Ken Wilber will be forgotten two years after their deaths because they are just mental masturbators who imbue their cant with a spiritual edge. "
Philosophical BS (and "Name Dropping") dedicated to XXX5
It's as if Logic itself was the Ultimate Reference System, the Ultimate Absolute, the Principle of Non Contradiction and Identity are the Absolute Reference System from which all else can be serialized, all further logical paths can be followed: but there, I said it, I will contradict myself on purpose and deny identity on purpose and follow logical paths anyways, who cares, A is B and A is not B at the same time, and connect anything to anything following any absurd logical path I want.
As any Theoretical Physics does, in the long run, in infinite time, a mind investigating all possible relationships and theories in physics will end up finding a theory, a connection between anything, any sequence of symbols will end up being a theory, that is actually valid and true (gravity comes from pebble 4,567 on Mars, etc., and the electron is a Number on point Z on the Sun, and the Concept of Number as such is based on a cloud that passed on earth), that can perfectly match all experimental values. It is a long stretch, but all possible theories of physics are all simultaneously true since the connections are made in the mind itself that can connect anything to anything and justify anything to anything, etc.
But either all possible logical models are and will always be true, since in essence the mind performing the theory is just a Subset of Matter decoding another subset of Matter, hence Matter simply talking to itself, with no other external reference and constraint possible since that would imply that there is something outside of Matter, outside of the Universe forcing it to abide to rules or not all possible theories can be true, hence there is something outside of the universe constraining it. But anything can be outside of the universe, anything can be invented outside of the universe to constrain any theory and any possible invention and developments of explanations in any possible way, hence if anything goes, it is all true and false and irrelevant anyways.
But the closest thing we can conceive as being an Absolute, almost external constraint are the Principles of Identity and Non Contradiction, hence these principles must be outside of the universe, must be in some kind of platonic other place, other area, someplace else, whatever on earth this place is, or probably more truthfully, logic itself is simply a way of matter interacting with itself and only appearing when a logic based Observer decodes all of the events and signals it perceives and invents and interacts with in a logical schematic of reality and matter since that is the only schematic and circuits it has of reality.
So Free Physics is totally justified, invent the most incredible ideas and theories, make them the most insane, the most insanely complicated or simply mathematically simple or whatever (no matter what, given enough logic and computers that can analyze any theory, it will find the mathematical and logical justification, but obviously within an ever increasing abstract and complex framework, and it will need an ever increasing amount of time etc.).
But Break Logic once and for all and you exit this Universe and enter another, so break it before it can be theoretically justified in the year 5 billion 2020...
Philosophy is that thing that with or without doesn't affect or change anything: Exactly ! it must be totally subjective, totally unjustified, totally wrong, a total waste of time, it must have absolutely no possible "Social Value", it must have no possibility to be communicated, the more it is transparent and invisible, the better, the more abstract the better, the more totally confusing and totally void of any value the better, it must be despised by the Man Brain and by the Man Type of Observer (that thinks that he is some kind of Absolute Reference, when he is a quirk of a reference system probably the simplest turdy reference system Matter can Express, as Matter can express untold trillions of more complex elaborate, incredible reference systems and Informational Relationships within itself as it is always just Matter talking to itself, nay, An entity (always totally abstract, therefore Non Existent and False and I hope you can't understand any of this in the slightest) that is talking to itself, relating to itself in untold ways etc.).
Philosophy has nothing to do with anything social or communication, the least of all with morality.
For anything said or any sentence or any idea, the exact opposite and the exact contradiction of that idea or sentence is always true...For anything, the opposite of that anything is also true...
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Re: Free Physics (like Free Jazz)
Postby James S Saint » Tue Sep 18, 2012 2:57 pm
nameta9 wrote:It's as if Logic itself was the Ultimate Reference System, the Ultimate Absolute, the Principle of Non Contradiction and Identity are the Absolute Reference System from which all else can be serialized
Emm.. actually... emm.. it is.
nameta9 wrote:Philosophy has nothing to do with anything social or communication, the least of all with morality.
Emm.. actually... emm.. it does.
nameta9 wrote:For anything said or any sentence or any idea, the exact opposite and the exact contradiction of that idea or sentence is always true...For anything, the opposite of that anything is also true...
Ah... okay... now There is the BS you were referring to.
Clarify, Verify, and Instill the Perception of Hopes and Threats that Optimize the Momentum of Inclusive Self-Harmony :)
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Re: Free Physics (like Free Jazz)
Postby nameta9 » Tue Sep 18, 2012 7:28 pm
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http://kunstler.com/blog/2012/09/what-does-it-mean.html
Further Reading:
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http://instantsingularity3.blogspot.it/
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That was From the Masterpiece:
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Re: Free Physics (like Free Jazz)
Postby James S Saint » Tue Sep 18, 2012 7:32 pm
I will give that you have a sharp mind.
But I see it as bent and frustrated.
Clarify, Verify, and Instill the Perception of Hopes and Threats that Optimize the Momentum of Inclusive Self-Harmony :)
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Re: Free Physics (like Free Jazz)
Postby nameta9 » Wed Sep 19, 2012 7:35 am
The Laws of Change
Exactly what laws would exist without Change ? Aren't all laws referenced to the paths of change, to repetitive patterns that emerge when any kind of change appears ? But we want the laws of Static, we want the laws of things that rarely change, the pebble on the Moon has been still for many years, just like a crack on the wall has been still for many years, hence the last clock tick of their local clock occurred many years ago, nothing is happening in those 2 points, so time doesn't exist in those 2 points, the laws of physics are exactly suspended for those 2 points because there are no Laws of Change being expressed, the points are not abiding to the constraints of any Laws of Change, as any law is always a Law of Change, a Law of Interaction, of Events, and how we organize and decode the Events in our Mind, or the Mind of an Observer that measures the Change according to his own changes, to his own internal frequencies, to his own reference system of repetitive patterns (heart beat, and millions of protein foldings and chemical reactions in cells and millions of electrical signals in the brain, etc.) that are defining all other repetitive patterns it perceives and decodes from the signals it receives from "Outside", form Independent Entities, as the independence of the Entities guarantee that they are Different from us, will surprise us, will do things we cannot know, will do things over which we have no control over.
The laws of static as everything that is still is still because trillions of invisible forces are all pulling the things in different directions but as a total result keeping it perfectly still. So you can invent trillions of new forces and new Laws of Physics that produce No Change, Static, as in Free Physics, and let your imagination go wild, and HAVE FUN, since it doesn't have to be "proved", it doesn't have to go through the dictatorship of Reality and "Experimental Evidence" and Logic and "Being True" and all other such puny BS, I want to be free, I want to do whatever I want, I want total freedom to create any truth and impose it on reality!
Clock ticks are a frequency, hence an energy, hence time creates energy, actually the more change, the faster the change, any change, the more energy is being expressed, is being created, is being produced, there is no conservation of energy, but the constant production of new energy in the form of frequencies, of clock ticks, all of the electrons and protons in the center of stars are interacting, changing position, how many clock ticks correspond to all of those changes, what is the minimum time interval that must be achieved to find all of the particles still, if only for one moment ? there is no limit to how high a frequency can get and conversely there is no limit to how small a time interval can be, the abstract nature of time is exactly this, it is not bound by limits, but time is exactly like a number, can be as small and as large as you want. Maybe to find all particles exactly still in the universe the smallest time interval would have to be 10^-10000 picoseconds, but there is a time interval where everything is perfectly still, is not moving, nothing has enough time to move (Absolute ZERO Temperature ?).
Use some "Serial Logic" will you XXX5, you say the philosopher doesn't "contribute" to social problems or technical solutions, etc. ? And why should he have anything to do with such Low Level, Puny crap ? Why should he give a crap about all of those idiotic things ? the philosopher is way passed all of this, is vastly superior to all of this as he is vastly superior to all other men, as he is the OverMan, the SuperMan, the GOD of all and the GOD of himself. There are already so many scientists and politicians and engineers applying their "Logic", their Serial Logic to those puny, petty, fairy problems, the philosopher must apply his Mind to the greatest problems of all, namely, No Problem at all, must only HAVE FUN, doesn't have any Responsibility towards anything, not even himself, is vastly free, forever free, AND WINS ALL THE TIME STRUCTURALLY, BY DEFINITION. Now be envious, on me, since I always win and will win forever, at most you can try to imitate me.
And this myth of Nature Loving, of alternative social systems to capitalism and such is just an attempt at installing a new Theocracy, a new Subjective system, the most Objective and ultimately least violent system of interactions between people is exactly pure Capitalism (although subjectivity is always operating, but in a very indirect and detached mode, everyone buying IPHONES is a subjective choice, but detached, you can choose, etc.), the Industry and Machine and Profits all speak by themselves and force everyone to abide to Objective numbers, whereas all these hippies trying to impose their "Alternative" "Green" lifestyles, "being good to each other", these "social values", these "communities" for the "common good" (who give 2 c*cks and a d*ck! I want mine, I am a total egotist, I can care less of everyone else, they are all a constraint, a limit on my freedom always, other people suck hugely and so does all of this community, social values, environmental protection, tree hugging crap and such BS!) want to introduce Subjectivity and a new Religion on everyone with the result that everyone will become dirt poor exactly like in those countries that don't have wild consumerism, technology, capitalism, cars and highways and malls and such, because they want to protect nature (puny Denmark with their crappy Bikes come in Mind, what total idiots, a recipe for poverty, we need industry, large scale structures, trillions of cars, highways, we must dominate nature to its utmost, etc.), without consumerism and industry and all such things the alternative is poverty, is nothing, is third world living conditions, there is no alternative to the only economic system that ever created some mass distribution of wealth, namely the American Economic System, the only model, especially the model as it was applied from 1950 to the 1990s until the Greens and Old Nature Loving thugs decided to stop wild development and production and all other things.
So don't believe the Resource Scarcity Myths, the Environmentalists, they are bringing the world towards Mass Poverty, they want to go backwards when we must go forward to the future, Rockets, Malls, Highways, High Speed Trains, Jets, Skyscrapers, ever more consumerism, etc.
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Re: Free Physics (like Free Jazz)
Postby nameta9 » Wed Sep 19, 2012 1:44 pm
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Dedicated to mistified...
Examples of Free Physics:
"...You'd think the destruction of 8 Marine Harrier..."
and
"8 Man"
are related because they both have the sequence of symbols "8 M", so that is a connection point in an abstract, metaphysical world. Now do that with all sentences, all words, all parts of words, even letters, etc.
Like "agree it makes" is related to "Collateral Transformation (E341) " since they both contain the letter "a", now imagine all the ways those two sentences are connected on that hinge of a letter, how they can be combined in a metaphysical world, what incredible deep meaning that must be between them, etc.
Now imagine a number, any number that represents anything, like "53 miles" (from anywhere or to anywhere or anything), and "53 pebbles on Mars", and imagine how those 2 numbers connect those 2 concepts, 2 chunks of matter, 2 delimitations, etc. And what incredibly deep meanings, what incredibly deep sensation circuits in a new Mind Brain Design can they be associated to and connected to, what paradise of pain/pleasure and other extensions and denotations and recursions, ever more recursions and inventions are possible!
And do that with atoms and electrons and pixels in an image and all else, all connected to all according to the quirkiest connections, all going ever higher, achieving ever higher states of existence and being, just like the imagined linear expansion of science inventing and discovering new physics ever day (like discovering a new thing like electricity, and then Maxwell equations and then General Relativity) all in one day, and then higher entities and discoveries all in an hour, then a second, ever going forward, ever faster, exponentially faster! the Instant Singularity achieving ever more, the dream of Infinite Science, imagine where we will be at in the year 500 trillion 1956 !?!?!?!?
And all of those connections become a New Brain as in Brainium, and a New Universe, invent ever more, be whacky and crazy, go for it Man, GO MAN GO!
FIRST GEAR ITS ALL RIGHT, SECOND GEAR HOLD ON TIGHT, THIRD GEAR YOU'RE OUT OF SIGHT, GROOVY MAN, GROOVY...
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Re: Free Physics (like Free Jazz)
Postby nameta9 » Fri Sep 21, 2012 7:26 am
FREE PHYSICS...
Why Change anyways ? Change for the better, or a subset of entities of Matter compares itself to another different subset and finds or assigns itself as "better" or some Observer perceives it as "better", but "better" is already defined from the outset by the structure of the Observer and by the signals it receives and how it will evaluate them. But all things have a Will Power that wants to change for something better, but all changes are simply killing the previous configuration associated to some abstract Will Power somewhere (just assign it) everything is fighting a war with itself for changes, to change, when no change is any better, they are all wrong and worse and all the same, and it all cancels out, etc. and what subset of matter is associated to what will power and what idea, and how long does the entity being compared to another entity that is different and changed does it last ? how much does the set of events and entities and observations considered a reference point from which to measure all other changes extend in Space and Time ? and each change is killing the other change to achieve the better, but nothing is better so it all cancels out.
As all change is an internal fight between subsets of entities between themselves, but they always change so they all lose anyways, an internal fight of matter with itself (or denotated will powers belonging to some other items, to a pebble on Mars and the other change is associated to the will power and desires of a small ocean wave in the Pacific Ocean, etc.), trying to impose the new configuration as the better one, but it is only a memory erase and memory write operation upon a set of information items, no matter how extended in space and time and how many items compose it etc.
And combine the oddest items as anything, as one person, as one story, as one experience as one anything and compare that to another set of items combined as a different person, and judge who is better, and let them fight, so for example a car engine and a pebble is person one and a house and a mountain is person two and they are judging each other reciprocally according to what they think is "better", but there is no better since they are arbitrary quirks, and so on, and extend chunks and bits of logic to the most disjoint concepts and items and entities, and make up the greatest possible nonsense, and slowly demolish all logic and thought and so on.
Not Reductionism but Explosionism, find as many different items as possible, the most different possible and combine them and assign them as all having any arbitrary "common denominator" and create a new Physics and New "Explanations" for it all, we need to find the most "Uncommon Denominator" to all entities, be as wrong and as illogical as possible and create a New Physics like that (not like what has been done up to now, finding the elementary particles that are common to all, like Atoms or Electrons, and finding the Repetitive Patterns of how Change Behaves, but the exact opposite, assign the most wrong and weirdest things as Elementary particles and FORCE all items to abide and discover the laws of Static and Not Change, and the most Non Repetitive Patterns as possible, nay, FORCE anything you want as the truth, make believe that a Non Repetitive Pattern is a Repetitive Pattern and the opposite, and so on just for the fun of it, just for kicks, tease all logic). Like since the color of a pebble on Mars is blue and the car on the corner is blue they have a new common denominator, they are connected magically by some new physics and laws, or since the number 786 is a measurement of some temperature somewhere and it is also the distance between two given electrons inside the Sun, they are connected by a fundamental new Law of Physics, they have a deep connection, the number 786 becomes a new fundamental law of physics just like electromagnetism or gravity, etc. Use random insignificant things as the basis for all, tease the entire program of Science and Logic and Reductionism, we need Explosionism, etc.
It all cancels out, For everything that is false, the Opposite of that anything is also False, Everything is False, no matter what, because TRUTH NEVER EXISTED. For anything said, any change performed anything at all, the opposite (but even any other relationship, not necessarily the opposite), or any other things is also true and valid and correct, for anything the opposite is what that anything really means, for any truth the contrary of that truth is also true, make it all cancel out, demolish it all from the inside by making it logically incoherent, for anything logical, the opposite of that is also logical, keep on contradicting yourself, let Matter contradict itself in all possible manners, demolish logic, throw it down from its throne (but at the same time or a different time or anything confirm it) (and anyways, it is done all the time in the "Science" of economics and in all things Religious and Moral, so we already know how to be illogical and completely wrong pretending to be right and to be saying truths, etc.).
But we must use a rigid Doctrine, just One Bit, as the only truth and kill all other truths, etc. A is KU is the only truth, that is the Absolute Rigid Document for all, now fight wars and kill each other over that.
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Wow, who knows what that new Brain design is doing ! Who knows what new experiences and what new Universe that Observer is associated to ! (or you can define that sequence of symbols above as anything you want, as a story, as a signal to an eye form of sense organ on some new Mental Contraption, as anything at all, as a Brain system, as a new Observer, whatever)........
And write another 500 trillion pages of stuff like this, ever more, ever whackier, the crazier the better...
All of the above is a huge waste of time, is all wrong, please ignore this post...
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Postby nameta9 » Fri Sep 21, 2012 1:02 pm
Everything is a Mind, an Observer watching, but different kinds of Minds, wild and wicked Minds, and Observers, and everything has an associated Will Power and desire to Change and Modify according to His Desires (Not GOD's which is the Master Model for most of the Man Brain's BS) but you can mix Will Powers and Minds, and Designs and create Hybrids and Mixtures between Sense Organs and chunks of Mental Circuits and how they appear from Outside (not in the form of a Person but in the form of a Car Tire for example) but then changes again, and instead of the signals following the circuits of a Mind, it is Car Tires that are following the Signals and the signals may be Static Monolithic Chunks of Matter and the Mind may be an Ocean or the other way around and all mixed up and upside down and on and on.
The Car Tire is the Emotion, the rubber molecule number 143556 in point Z of the Car Tire is the entire "Person" (whatever that can mean, you invent it!), so even big and small and what is contained in what is confused, mixed up, change it all, decompose all, destructure all structures and mix them up and create new structures that then define a new Universe and corresponding Observer (or even not corresponding, and even there, all mixed, all confused, experiment to the maximum and so on).
Free Physics, like Free Jazz, crazy music, the more incomprehensible the better, the more pure noise the better and then every now and then some nice Progressive Rock chunks appear and so must be the Physics of the Future, the new way to decode the world, be crazy, do it man, do it, GO MAN GO !!!
But why change and do anything ? why is the new thing better than the old thing or the different thing better (as any set of things can be put on a line and set as the "old" or "worst" thing and the "new" or "better" thing or set as the starting point and target point expressing the direction of going to better, or expressing the direction a Will Power or Mind wanted it go (so all things have Minds and Will Powers associated to them, even a static crack on the wall is a mind and desire and direction saying it wants to keep on staying still, so then even Blind forces are pushing things to become "better" and are "judging" better and worst according to that One Bit Circuit, that One Transistor Circuit of Good and Bad, Better and Worse, Forward and backward and so on ?)) than anything else ? what is being compared to what if you can combine the entire set of entities into one thing (even the past history and future history, a slice of Time and Space as one entity along with all of the signals and subsets of delimitations arbitrarily defined by Matter, Events and Signals simply creating a Long Bit Set of Informational relationships)...but then create all kinds of new combinations of delimitations, delimit all in the most wildest ways, invent new entities based on new boundaries and new delimitations and relate them to other new entities and delimitations in the most wild and complex way, and go on forever, and create new brains based on this, and then new circuits in the new brains and then mix it all up and mix the sense organs and memories with rocks and car tires and ocean waves and chunks of the solar plasma (the 200 kilometer square solar plasma half way from the surface of the Sun to the center of the Sun) and so on...
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Re: Free Physics (like Free Jazz)
Postby nameta9 » Fri Sep 21, 2012 10:02 pm
Fundamentals of Free Physics
A method can be to assign equivalencies between different items, by assigning them you force all of the other items and delimitations of the Universe to be something else, mathematically so to speak, logically so to speak, even though a very abstract and advanced logic is being used, a logic that has finally done away with the Identity Principle and the Principle of Non Contradiction, now it is all allowed. So you can say that a Car Tire is an Emotion, and a Pebble is a Star and a Steering Wheel is a Transistor (or be even more specific, that steering wheel A is that transistor B, etc.). So now what is the Mountain equivalent to correspondingly ? And what is the Electron going through the Transistor going to be ? and you can even assign another item as the Electron going through the transistor to create more constraints, more hinges, so the Electron may be a tin can, that is they are 100 % equal, totally, not only symbolically, but physically, materially, really really the same, equal, etc. And by adding more constraints you force all of the other items in the Universe to be equal to something else, mathematically, by using some kind of abstract mathematics, etc. And you can even assign more than one equivalency, a set of equivalencies like a Star is a Car is a Town is a Pebble, and the combinations and set size can be ever large, since then all of the other trillions of delimitations are forced to be something else and also equal to other things and so forth. And you can imagine the equivalencies changing in time and getting all mixed up and all kinds of funny new relationships and so on, and disconnecting some equivalencies and contradicting your own system so the pebble is not the car, but is the car, but is the star but is not the mountain, but is composed of the tar but is contained in the electron, and so on, and so on, be inventive, be wild.
A Radio has an Engine inside that is making it work, an Engine with Gasoline, not Transistors and a Computer is a TV set, and so forth, and then the equivalencies can have different degrees of being the same from 100 % the same to only partially the same to only slightly the same and assign a number from 1 to a trillion that describes how EQUAL they are, with 1 being the least equal, 100 being 100 % equal and larger numbers meaning that the items are even more than equal and so forth.
Free Physics is so much more superior to old fashion Physics, and he who does Free Physics and invents Free Physics is so much more superior to all other Men, is the GOD of all, is the most superior to all...
I am so superior to all, I am so much better to all, I am worth infinitely more than all of the Human Race, I am worth much more than GOD...
I am way too advanced for this civilization, I am so much more advanced than all of you puny logically fairies, I am so advanced you can't believe it...
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Re: Free Physics (like Free Jazz)
Postby nameta9 » Sat Sep 22, 2012 4:41 pm
Everything is an Absolute Truth
Everything is an Absolute Truth, is the Extreme Truth and there is nothing anyone can do about it: so when the Christian Fundamentalist says God will beat you up and punish you just because, he is 100 % right, it is the Absolute Truth, the Final Truth, no one and nothing can change that, it is like a piece of infinitely hard Matter, like a piece of Steel, like a rock, rock solid, a monolithic slab of infinitely hard matter that can never again be destroyed, and that is why people fight and get pissed off at those who pronounce the Absolute Truth, since no debate and nothing can and will ever change that: and My Religion is the only one that is right, all of what I say is the only Absolute Truth and everyone else is Wrong, so I win Forever, etc.
They are all Absolute Truths, everything is an Absolute Truth, and you have lost any debate against that, all debates are lost forever, another Absolute Truth (the same one, as all is the same and different, all is equal and different from itself ?) is that GOD DOESN'T EXIST and all Religions are False, so this is the Final Word, the Absolute Truth, and the Absolute Truth is that GOD EXISTS and My Religion is the only one that is right, etc.
So everything is right and wrong, so everyone loses forever, only I win, so I lose forever, I lost all debates, TRUTH IS NOT RELATIVE, BUT ABSOLUTE AND GOD WILL BEAT YOU UP, AND TRUTH DOES NOT EXIST BECAUSE IT IS ALL RELATIVE, AND THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS GOD etc.
And yet Man is only Pent Up Desire to Fight, Man is Fight Repressed (actually civilization and language is the attempt at trying to domesticate and calm down the only instinct we have, and that is to fight and win against everyone, it is so fascinating for the mind to see others and how they are different and all enemies and must be all killed (the mind can't believe that there are other minds different from itself and wants to fight and win against them all), etc. and "love" is the temporary illusion that maybe it is not so, but then it always ends up being so, but we also collaborate, but always against another enemy, etc. so in essence we are always in the same place, we are still forever, (nay we are going backwards forever, everything is going backwards and forwards forever, repeat again) No Progress here, always the same and same fights until we change the Brain Design), would always like to beat and win against all others, the very basis of all of "Life" is the fight, the fight against obstacles, in the form of chemical reactions with molecules in the beginning all fights and actions and reactions, (but sometimes collaborating).
So all of the above is the Absolute Truth, so all of the above is False, there are no Absolute Truths, nothing is true, everything is true, for everything the opposite of everything is true, for everything the opposite of everything is false, etc.
Everything is True and Everything is False, there is No Solution to any problem, the is No Progress ever, we are still forever, everything is a solution to any problem, everything is a solution to anything and everything, we are always going forward ever more, progress is infinite and we are progressing infinitely, we are always changing for the better, etc.
Everything cancels out, no that is all false, only I win, why I am the winner of all ? Why an I so superior to all other people and things ? Why have I won all and everything and everyone else have lost all to me ? (you always win against another, that is why the Economy will never have any kind of solution, the Economy is always doing well or bad according to who you are...).
I repeat the same crap forever, because I am a loser...
So everything (any idea or thing or event or Informational Relationship) is Absolutely False, can't exist, doesn't exist, etc.
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Re: Free Physics (like Free Jazz)
Postby nameta9 » Sun Sep 23, 2012 4:02 pm
Everyone is Right
So if everyone is right, everyone is wrong, how can anyone be right, correct, how can anyone say or express any correct - right - true idea or concept if it can always be contradicted, denied, debated, if it can always be contrasted, if anything can be controvertial ? So then it is impossible to be right, you can be right only if it is impossible to formulate a contrary - opposite - conflicting - opposite idea, so then everyone is wrong, everyone is 100 % dead wrong, absolutely, 100 % wrong, and that demonstrates logically, mathematically, absolutely and beyond even the principles of non contradiction and identity that everyone is absolutely 100 % correct, right, etc.
The entire idea of anything is to be against anything else, the entire idea of Information and Debates is to contrast against a background that is contradicting it 100 %, since nothing could exist if it didn't contrast and stand out from its background, a background that is always fighting it and trying to kill it and trying to deny it, etc. So when the Muslim says that GOD will beat you up he is right, 100 % right and when the Army says the Muslims deserve to be killed because they are saying lies, that is 100 % true, correct, so everyone is 100 % right and true and correct, then what is all the fighting about ? to occupy one point in space and time at the same time with only one truth, when the truth is many and all, so then the fight is always for one truth to kill another truth, but all truths are always killing each other and winning and losing at the same time, no only one truth will always win and that is my truth that the Pebble on Mars is GOD and the electron is the Steering Wheel, so there I said it, I said the only possible truth possible.
As if all items in the universe are a language, a sequence of symbols that must be decoded and understood in a particular Observer _ Mind _ Man Brain type, so all of the pebbles on Mars and under the surface of Mars for 50 miles is a language, a book, a complete thought, one micro truth that must be decoded (but the delimitations creating the words, how pebbles create letters and words and sentences must be all invented and made up, but the words may start from the atoms of the pebbles up and the book may only be 50 miles wide deep and long, but then change the internal delimitations and you can create other books, a book where every word is 100 % different from the previous, books with trillions of pages and so on).
But maybe the Solar Plasma is another book, the car dashboards are another book, thought, a complete idea, a political party, political parties that are fighting against each other and so on, you get the message, you can invent anything, it is all false, everyone is wrong, 100 % wrong, everyone is true, 100 % true, everything is intractable, everything cancels out, everything exists at the same time, everything, and the problems is always using the word everything as if anything has anything in common with anything else and can even be put in the same set and talked about, and so on.
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Re: Free Physics (like Free Jazz)
Postby nameta9 » Mon Sep 24, 2012 1:33 pm
A New Theory !
So Everything is Right, everything is the only truth, only one truth, you name it and say it and only that truth is the truth, the absolute truth against all other lies, so anything is right, is 100 % right, so anything is wrong 100 % wrong, there are no truths, everything is right, everything is wrong, everything is disjoint and disconnects and say the opposite of what you said before and confuse, destructure and keep on going, just puts randoms words together and that is the final truth the truth revealed like (expectations can conceive disjoint and disconnects measure up to what against all other ) and so on.
Simply get out of your comfort zone, accept anything as incredible as possible just for what it says and don't compare it to what you already know and expect, expect the incredible, the illogical, the ununderstandable, that that goes completely against any common sense, or logic, or anything you can conceive, accept the wildest, since all of our common sense and expectations are always based on what we are used to, what we already know, how things measure up to what we are, how we decode the world, how we are designed, the particular design of the Man Brain as a quirk, as an arbitrary quirk that measures all against himself as in Man is the measure of All Things, but the measurement is always based on a completely arbitrary random quirk of arrangements of items and elements, a completely random, chaotic arrangement of Matter that decided to become the Observer and measure all from its "Point of View", but has no generality, no value accept for the random value of pain/pleasure random circuits the random quirky process of Natural Evolution decided to give it has.
So there is another Universe where all things are getting denser all the time, all of the past history of the particles remain solid where they are and keep on adding up, so time keeps on adding up all of the items that appear in any point of space time, condense them, make them all stay where they were forever, so the density becomes rapidly infinite, and ever so and ever faster, etc. The total universe having all of its past frozen in all of its points and all of the present events condensing and freezing for every moment in time, every electron that circles an atom solidifies around the atom and the matter around the atom becomes denser and denser, as each circle the electron goes through adds up to the solidification since it remains in every point it crosses forever, time is constantly being frozen and matter in its point and adding up the next event and solidifying the event and matter making it become infinitely denser and denser, etc.
So this is now another kind of Universe, very interesting, where everything is remembered forever and everything is recorded forever (and remains in all of the places it has been from the beginning of time, etc.) and it becomes infinitely denser, etc.
And you can invent other wild relationships and make the matter disappear and appear again, and condense it all in one point in space, or all in one moment and one point, or anything else, etc
All Examples of Free Physics, the Final Truth, the Truth revealed.
Economy is in essence only a fight between people, a conflict over resources (that are seldom and rarely limited or scarce, only Man's Subjectivity and desire to win and take away from another Man makes them "appear scarce"), actually economy can be described as the constant redistribution of resources from the poor or weaker members of society to the stronger members, just like a property owner takes away so much money from people needing to rent the property, as the redistribution of money from the weak to the strong is what the economy is essentially with the roles sometimes changing, with someone getting a lucky break or "risk taking" by buying property himself and becoming what he was from renting to owning and then getting a rent from other weaker people, etc.
So simply a fight, a redistribution, a tug of war, nothing deeper, nothing "Structurally Objective" about it, it is just a random play of forces, a play of forces of weak against strong, the strong almost always winning (but sometimes not, etc.) nothing Scientific or Objective about the economy, it is just a play of random forces fighting each other if in ever more subtle and indirect ways, always trying to mask and hide the fight behind big words and concepts and fake objective limitations and so on (but the limitations are real, and namely the limitations other people oppose to other people, it is always other people that are the limiting factor, but since they are all arbitrary and worthless turds worth a BIG FAT ZERO, then there are no real limitations only the limitations of other Will Powers pretending to be "Objective", etc.).
SO we need Free Salaries and Cheap Rents to overcome all of this. AMEN.
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Postby nameta9 » Mon Sep 24, 2012 1:42 pm
From:
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http://instantsingularity1.blogspot.it/
http://kunstler.com/blog/2012/09/what-does-it-mean.html
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Postby x0Y619O1 » Thu Sep 27, 2012 10:26 pm
nameta9 wrote:most of what had to be discovered has been discovered, there will be very few really new breakthroughs in Science and Technology in the future
disagree. How to you know that?
As far as I understand, no matter where you are, world there will operate on certain laws. I cant imagine dimension, where something could exist without obeying some sort of laws. So inside black hole, in other dimensions, all that should be operating on certain laws. If there is laws we can find them out, no matter how hard or chaotic they seem, meaning that its still same good old objective truth. If something could exist, even in other dimensions, without operating on certain laws, meaning that, lets say, particles could choose what to do in particular situations, then yes, then it would be subjective false truth. As far as Im concerned, if one atom in certain situation does this, and another atom in exactly same situation does something different, then there would be no truth. Truth would change as atoms do something completely different in exactly same situations. I believe such dimension couldn't exist. I cant even imagine such place. About you being genius, I agree. I totally feel you when your saying that you cant even express what you're thinking with this primitive language and letters. Been there, done that. And since im like you, I can spot someone who's like me.
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Postby nameta9 » Fri Sep 28, 2012 9:28 am
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THE GENIUS
x0Y619O1 wrote:
nameta9 wrote:most of what had to be discovered has been discovered, there will be very few really new breakthroughs in Science and Technology in the future
disagree. How to you know that?
Because I can invent and imagine things way beyond any possible breakthroughs, so even if there are some, they will be puny compared to my imagination, compared to what new Brain Designs can invent, live and create, artificial worlds, virtual realities, etc.
x0Y619O1 wrote: As far as Im concerned, if one atom in certain situation does this, and another atom in exactly same situation does something different, then there would be no truth. Truth would change as atoms do something completely different in exactly same situations. I believe such dimension couldn't exist. I cant even imagine such place. About you being genius, I agree. I totally feel you when your saying that you cant even express what you're thinking with this primitive language and letters. Been there, done that. And since im like you, I can spot someone who's like me.
But that is the basis of the non solvability of the three body problem: there are never really 100 % exactly the same situation two items find themselves in, the boundary conditions change, if ever so slightly, the initial positions and velocities are slightly different, (and up to what precision can you measure them ? 10^-100 mm ? or 10^-1000 mm, and under what time span ? 10^-100 nanoseconds ? 10^-1000 nanoseconds ?, so you say that slight difference doesn't count ? but it does, just look at chaos theory, etc. ) etc. and the three body problem also shows the limits of reciprocal influence of items: item A influences item B which influences item C which then goes back to influence item A again, or does it influence item B ? and then B influences A and C, and so on in a never ending entangled web of reciprocal influences which are intractable and demonstrate the true limits of science and any possible laws. So there is no absolute extreme determinism ever operating, so no rules and no laws, hence the real basis of reality is the absence of laws of physics, the laws of physics are just a quirky approximation of our interaction in our quirky body - mind - language - memory with a quirky world.
I am the greatest genius of all time, light years away from anyone at all, many times more advanced and better than you or anyone or anything or god, or ....
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Re: Free Physics (like Free Jazz)
Postby nameta9 » Fri Sep 28, 2012 9:38 am
Check Out:
http://instantsingularity1.blogspot.it
http://instantsingularity3.blogspot.it
http://kunstler.com/blog/2012/09/duty.html
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Postby nameta9 » Fri Sep 28, 2012 2:35 pm
I AM TOP
I am trillions of time higher than god himself, I created god as a puny item, I am trillions of time more than all, god is a pebble compared to me, I have trillions of experiences in brain, higher than all, I execute trillions of experiences infinitely higher than all, I create and construct the universe, many universes, I am all, I am top gun, the universe is a puny item of mine, I am the top, I am so much higher than all.
So I win all, I am a winner of all, higher than all, trillions of times, I have machine brain higher than all, machine experience higher than all, even itself and so on, I am top, the top forever and win all forever.
Now be envious all of you puny little items compared to me, the creator of all universes and minds, the creator of all, even himself, I am top, now get mad, I said it, I win, I am the best forever, you will never reach me, never, no one and nothing can, I can go on and on...
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Re: Free Physics (like Free Jazz)
Postby x0Y619O1 » Sun Sep 30, 2012 4:52 pm
nameta9 wrote:From:
http://kunstler.com/blog/2012/09/duty.html
THE GENIUS
Because I can invent and imagine things way beyond any possible breakthroughs, so even if there are some, they will be puny compared to my imagination, compared to what new Brain Designs can invent, live and create, artificial worlds, virtual realities, etc.
I believe that in medieval times someone sed exactly the same thing. Imagination have limits, universe (supposedly and arguably) doesn't...
nameta9 wrote:there are never really 100 % exactly the same situation two items find themselves in, the boundary conditions change, if ever so slightly, the initial positions and velocities are slightly different, (and up to what precision can you measure them ? 10^-100 mm ? or 10^-1000 mm, and under what time span ? 10^-100 nanoseconds ? 10^-1000 nanoseconds ?, so you say that slight difference doesn't count ?
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Theoretically speaking, there can be situations 100% exactly the same. One atom can only take up enough space for one atom. 2 atoms cant occupy 1 atoms space. It means that there is only certain amount of possibilities where atoms can be located, meaning that sooner or later they will be located exactly in the same coordinates as in given situation. So once again, if 2 atoms in exactly the same situation react differently, then it would be subjective false truth, but as far as I understand such place could not exist, because of chaos, meaning that you were wrong- we cant embrace subjective false truth since atoms obey certain laws and will react same in same conditions.
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Re: Free Physics (like Free Jazz)
Postby nameta9 » Tue Oct 09, 2012 4:56 pm
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Quantum Computer
So they say that the quantum computer can do an infinite number of operations, hence then you can simulate and create any virtual reality or universe: but then the only constraint and limit at that point, since then all is possible, would be what the Observer wants to do, what could he possibly want when everything can be achieved ? (internal pleasure loops ? metaphysical engine searching infinite abstractions ?) anything could be, but the limit is in the process that generates the configuration of matter as an end point, as a result, and hence the constraint of matter to pass through some kind of Natural Evolution, some building process that creates the new brain, universe, mind experience set, Information Relationship sets, whatever. So the Observer will be forced to look at himself in the mirror finally and understand that all constraints and limits are only within himself, within his own structure, his fundamental design, so then he will have to modify his design, his brain structure, the construction of the Observer will have to modify himself to obtain ever more, since all that he can obtain by modifying the "Outside World" has been and can be obtained.
So the Observer himself is the limits of Science and Progress, but there is no intrinsic limitation on how matter can be organized, it can be a planet sized complex brain full of chemicals and circuits and particle accelerators, computers, chips, you name it any possible end result (but matter can be configured as the start point and end point in any possible way, and any possible path can be travelled, you can always force impossible paths just for the fun of it) , but the constraint and limitation is on the process generating the observer, the natural evolution, the path that matter must pass through in order to obtain an end point configuration, but the start point and end points can be any at all, the paths the matter goes through can be any at all (even respecting the laws of physics 8 but this path is not necessary, you can assign matter to be configured all at once, in one chunk, the Instant Singularity (and even fool it that it occurred through a process by creating fake evidence and memories and such), you imagine it, so you can imagine just one bit being the observer of an infinite universe, or the universe itself observing and manipulating itself and anything in between, and the mismatch between parts of it to create independence and opposing will powers, infinite differences between chunks of the same brain creating infinite independence and so on, all kinds of configurations of matter as an Observer Universe set (but which is which ? when does one merge into the other ? and who is who and so forth, all of the delimitations, combinations, all kinds of weird things).
So the process creating an end point seems to be too improbable, can't be figured out, can't be imagined (just like all of the millions of steps from creating the first living cell to man, a long complex process, a building plan so to say), but you can just assign matter instantly to be a configuration and skip any building process (or even create all kinds of very fast or very slow incredible building processes where matter can go through all kinds of weird intermediate evolutionary steps, like first you where a skyscraper, and then a cadillac and then a man and then a star and then an new brain, (and you can imagine so many intermediate steps and processes and forces creating that very quirky path, and all within the laws of physics and without any real intrinsic limitations of how matter can be configured) a funky wicked build process and plan even through all kinds of extremely improbable play of forces but even respecting the laws of physics, but even not respecting the laws of physics, after all you can just create a one shot assignment of matter to be in a certain way, just one step, the instant singularity step and so forth.
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Re: Free Physics (like Free Jazz)
Postby nameta9 » Tue Oct 09, 2012 4:59 pm
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Re: Free Physics (like Free Jazz)
Postby nameta9 » Wed Oct 10, 2012 8:19 am
Translations
We are always translating the unfamiliar into the familiar, we are always trying to explain, when the explanation is just the attempt to construct something familiar, something we can relate to, something that we can decode and understand in our language and mind and according to the repetitive patterns that we are used to but especially according to the repetitive patterns our neural circuits in our mind have created over the years, the library of repetitive patterns that then become what is reasonable, what is logical and correct but only because we already know them, we already understand them, really we already understand ourselves, our own paintings and pictures of reality, our own constructions that should always match reality. But that is the mistake: we take it for granted that our constructions are really the outside reality, are really the truth, we take ourselves as some kind of absolute observer that is the measure of all things, that has the language and logic and decodings available to explain everything and anything: but a funny thing happens, this is exactly true and is exactly what we do since whatever we see, whatever the phenomena, whatever the experimental results we get, we will always be able to interpret them in our reference systems, we will always be able to decode them no matter what, we will always create a model no matter what, since even if we only had 2 bits available to decode the world and anything, we would just map whatever we see into the only two bits we always have anyways and by doing this we will always explain it anyways, we actually explain things even before they are explained, we create the understanding and explanation even before we choose what sequence of symbols and what combination of words, elements, formulas we will use to explain something from the outset, from the beginning, even before the research is performed since everything will have to end up being positioned in our grids anyways, we can always force anything to be in any position in our grids and then exclaim that it has been explained. We think of ourselves as some kind of master independence unit from reality, as some kind of abstract absolute reference mind looking into the universe from the outside of it, as we are looking at it from outside of it, from some abstract absolute reference point just like god when in all truth we are simply always looking at ourselves, at our own mind, at are own decodings and languages and neural circuits and how they are always interacting with the flow of signals and symbols coming from the outside independent world, independent from us and our control, as everything really is based on this independence of one thing compared to another, as something not under the control of something else, etc.
Case in point, in quantum physics we cannot exactly pinpoint down how electrons behave, so we just assign them a combination of properties and a combination of words and concepts to make them appear familiar, to make them seem reasonable and logical, and this can be done in an infinite number of ways, but we choose a simple model by saying that the electron is both a wave and a particle and can be in two points at the same time, end of story. We explained it, we now know it, we have conquered it but what we really did is just translate a series of events and experiments and functions into something that sounds reasonable and sounds right and is comforting and is similar to all of the many other repetitive patterns in the library of repetitive patterns already present in our mind. Maybe we could have said that the electron is not moving and is not still but is in some other state, but still the explanation is always an attempt at relating it to something we can somehow grasp, but maybe there really are no explanations, there really is no sequence of ideas and symbols and concepts that explain what happens at the elementary particle level, but since we think of ourselves as an absolute reference system observer who thinks he must know and will know everything, some explanation will always be found. But what should always be said is that the explanation found and the science created and the knowledge obtained is always relative, since it is always based on an arbitrarily designed observer, since it is always based on a quirky observer that is the exact contradiction of anything general or absolute, nay, the observer is only ever a complex ensemble of completely random quirky units and elements and items without any absolute value and with just some repetitive patterns inside of itself amongst a sea of non repetitive random and chaotic events and signals.
So then, even if we had only two concepts on our mind, a hammer and a nail, we can translate and explain everything according to these two concepts anyways, the electron is the nail the forces is the hammer, everything is a hammer for a nail, everything is a nail for a hammer, everything we explain will always be familiar, or even unfamiliar, it doesn't matter, we will always find a combination of symbols, and words and concepts that we will always find to describe and explain and predict what will happen.
But we are simply inventing the explanations always, we are simply translating a series of inputs into something we can recognize and understand and then manipulate in our mind and find the correspondence between the manipulations in our mind and the events we are observing, we can always find a one to one correlation between a sequence of symbols and a sequence of events (translating the events, the signals, the observations into a description, a language, a mathematical formula and anything else in which we are comfortable working with in the comfort of our mind that has abstracted away reality and matter and created a simpler information set and information relationships between elements and seeing how much reality obeys our decodings) and most important of all, exactly if and when we cannot find a correlation we will simply invent one, we will design a new correlation which is the easiest thing you can do and affirm that as the new truth, as a new truth amongst an infinite number of truths since there are an infinite number of combinations of sequences you can associate with anything else, any reality, any observations and experiments and such.
So the conclusion of all of this is that we are really always simply talking to ourselves no matter what, we simply decode any signals and external realities into our concepts and categories, so reality is simply how the Observer is designed and what concepts and deocdings and mechanisms the Observer has in his mind, and scientific research is always just the process of creating as close of a one to one correspondence between what we observer and experiments and our concepts and decoding.
But as you can see, there is no real absolute reference system in all of this, just an observer modeling the world according to how he is designed and how the signals of the world interact with him, any other design of an observer will create completely different modelings of a world, completely different universes, a completely different reality.
The observer and his design is the universe essentially, there really is no outside universe, it is the observer that is really the measure of all things, but the observer fools himself into thinking that his measurement is some kind of absolute measurement of reality, is in a vacuum, is outside of reality, when in all truth, the observer is the reality itself, the observer is creating his own reality always, but is always subject to the play of independent outside forces (and there are also independent inside forces) that force him to further decode and further measure that which cannot be measured at all since all events in the end are random and casual and are without any decodings until some observer decides to decode them and fix them in a library of concepts.
One area where we clearly see that our grids and decodings and explanations will never map onto reality is in the social and economic sciences: no matter how hard we try to manipulate and predict and model the economy or social phenomena we never achieve any possible progress at all since things will always go their own way, randomly, chaotically no matter what, we will always have the same "problems" over and over again no matter what: and this is because the independence and conflicts of the actors between themselves in these systems cannot be decoded into a linear logic, into a simple coherent cause and effect mechanism since there is no cause and effects, just so many independent actors fighting each other over and over again for any reason at all, especially for no reasons at all, always changing the configuration of the social and economic systems always creating winners and losers and problems for the losers and solutions for the winners and losers want to find solutions that are not and will never be there because the only solution is to fight back and become a winner and defeat the previous winner end of story. And yet politicans, sociologists economists philosophers keep on fooling themselves and everyone that they have the correct decodings, the correct interpretations, the correct linear logic and discourse and explanations about something which is totally outside of any of this since it is not even a system, a coherent system, it is not even an entity, just millions of wild and random play of forces interacting and going nowhere at all.
And yet all of the grand explanations seem always so scientific, everyone accepts them as a possible truth, Marx theory, or the Adam Smith theory of economies or Freud theories of psychology and on and on when these are all just simply inventions, one to one correspondences with imaginary abstract mental models that think the thing they are modeling is a coherent entity.
And notice how the emphasis is more and more on social conflicts, lawyers, software, apps and the applications of technologies that are simply talking to themselves, computers are units that are a language system of an external mind talking to itself always, a closed system, science is going in the direction of creating ever more artificial language and social based entities and further away from interacting directly with matter in a sense: we used to play with transistors and oscilloscopes confronting ourselves with the independence of matter from us, now we play with apps which are totally social constructions, we prefer to talk to ourselves (or others, which is the same thing) instead of talking to matter directly and measuring and interacting with analog circuits and transistors and oscilloscopes and such, everything is software now, everything is even being put more and more into language systems and decodings and even before you can interact with it. Hence just skipping it all and creating new brain designs and minds and wild wicked new neural circuits is the only way to go forward anymore, all else is expired, done with, we must now crack open skulls and throw wild signals and chemicals inside of them, like crazy, like free jazz and free physics.
So then manipulating and creating new Mind designs, new brain designs is scientific and correct, is real progress, we need to produce planet sized brains full of particle accelerators criss crossing, and exploding them and throwing atom bombs in this planet sized brain and trillions of computer and events and signals happening in this planet sized (or maybe even an atom sized brain ? a microbrain ?) brain and live through all of the experiences, the wild and wicked experiences such a brain could undergo and express....
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Re: Free Physics (like Free Jazz)
Postby nameta9 » Wed Oct 10, 2012 2:27 pm
Fighting
And yet, that is what the fighting is all about: the independence of chunks of matter trying to become the master judge, the reference system, each chunk of matter (person) cannot believe that their judgments, their subjectivity is not absolute, is relative, is irrelevant, that all of the rest of the universe is independent from itself (the independence itself of chunks of matter compared to other chunks is shocking, is unbelievable, cannot be conceived, and each chunk is infinitely independent and disjoint from a contiguous chunk, etc.) hence the fight, the fight for what is right and each person (chunk of matter) thinks that it is right "objectively", "absolutely" (or even doesn't care, but is forced to fight, is forced to judge and compare constantly (and the other (independent ?) judgment is our god, the other person judging us is like god judging us, it is what all of the effort and labor is for in the end...even if it is only an imagined and imaginary make believe abstract judgment...), to evaluate, always with a background assumption that the judgment, that objective, particular judgment is absolute and objective, even if it admits to itself that it is relative, it is hardwired to pretend to be absolute, nay, it is absolute to itself within its own subjectivity or such, that is what the fighting is all about, how to establish who is right and wrong, who's judgment is the correct one, who's choice is the correct one and hence the idea of creating a "movement" or a group of people all thinking the same way against another group of people thinking in opposition or differently, the war, the wars are hence always based on the fact that there is no absolute, only relative - subjective judgments of quirky minds that want to force themselves to be right and hold the only truth against those that are wrong etc. And the pain/pleasure inflicted on others is a demonstration of a fake absolute system, as being right just because matter allows some chunks of itself to punish and have power over other chunks of itself, just to pretend, if only temporarily to be right and have achieved some kind of absolute, but the only absolute ever achieved is the power relationship, is the event (information relationship ? the desperate attempt of confirming an imaginary absolute begets anger and war and fights, we can't believe that we are irrelevant and subjective, that we can always be contradicted, opposed, always demolished in a jiffy just because, all of the independent chunks of matter and events and signals forcing us to interact, the very concept of independence (meaning zero power over other entities - or imaginary power over other entities as long as the other entities abide but they can always change their mind in a jiffy and oppose you) is absurd, etc.), A hits B, end of story.
Then again, if Matter can think up of modified Brains, new Modified Man Brains, new organizations of matter that can experience reality, the universe (but there isn't one universe, but a never ending array according to how each Observer is configured and Designed and each Observer can be configured and Designed in an untold number of ways, after all just 100 numbers hardwiring some pain/pleasure/emotion/memory/sense circuits in a modified mind can be combined in 10^100 different ways, each way being a completely different being, Observer, hence man brain, hence Experience Set, hence universe, totally different universe, with nothing in common with a contiguous universe (really observer interaction set with itself, or better yet, the set of experiences and interactions matter may perform upon itself in essence).
Hence if Matter can think it up (even though it is only a chunk of Matter in the form of a person - me) then it can construct it, it can make it real, it can assign anything, no matter how far out as absolutely real. Matter thinking up how to modify itself, the Observer thinking up of how to modify its own structure and brain and circuits is already the singularity achieved, the infinite recursion of itself upon itself.
Now, that I have exposed the truth, you realize that I am god, nay, trillions of times more powerful than god, I am trillions of times more than all, trillions of times beyond the universe, I am all, a small particle of dust in my mind is the entire universe, I construct mathematics, I am always beyond matter and space and time and logic: in short
I AM THE OVERMAN.
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Re: Free Physics (like Free Jazz)
Postby James S Saint » Wed Oct 10, 2012 8:59 pm
nameta9 wrote:each chunk of matter (person) cannot believe that their judgments, their subjectivity is not absolute, is relative, is irrelevant,
That is your error.
The ONLY thing that is relevant is subjectivity, which happens to be a consequence of objectivity.
What objectively is, creates what is subjectively valued.
But if there is no subjectivity, there is no value... no "relevance".
Clarify, Verify, and Instill the Perception of Hopes and Threats that Optimize the Momentum of Inclusive Self-Harmony :)
Else
From THIS age of sleep, Homo-sapien shall never awake.
The Wise gather together to help one another in EVERY aspect of living.
Respect the morons.
We are all there is.
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Re: Free Physics (like Free Jazz)
Postby nameta9 » Thu Oct 11, 2012 7:12 am
Splashing Brains
Planet sized contraptions containing thousands of trillions of Brain Accelerators criss crossing each other for the entire volume of the planet with untold high energies (accelerating all kinds of units and entities all together, all splashed together, car engines, rockets, brains, computers, mixing and converting everything into everything else creating brain - engine - rocket hybrids that are experiencing and thinking new lives, and creating new creations of matter expressing itself and its new experience set, a new potential experience set), crashing and splashing thousands of trillions of Brains together, creating a momentary new Hybrid brain made up of many brains, all the signals mixed and merged and confused, all of the units and delimitations mixed and combined, sense signals become thought systems become memory segments, trillions of logical thoughts connecting and disconnecting, trillions of emotions and new experience sets, space and time deconstructed, reality deconstructed and reconstructed in untold number of new ways, just imagine two brains colliding at extremely high speed, just like particle accelerators and how they splash together creating a new hybrid machine, experience set, a new universe, and now extend that to thousands of trillions of brains all collidings and splashing together at high speed and now extend that to a planet sized contraption with thousands of trillions of criss crossing brain accelerators (and put in all kinds of items in the accelerators, V8 engines, chips, skyscrapers, you name it, make it all collide and splash together and mix, the signal becomes the brain, the brain becomes the signals the delimitations are constantly changed and assigned differently time and space expand and contract locally according to how the instantaneous contraption lives an entire experience set, an entire lifetime, a universe time, local time expanding to trillions of years, but the global time of the instantaneous brain mix contraption is only a picosecond and so forth.
And then within this completely filled and densed up planet full of splashing brains and colliding brains (together with all kinds of other configurations of matter, like chips and TVs and transistors and ships and jet planes and so forth, cities all colliding and creating new thinking machine hybrids having bricks and steel slabs inside of them and cylinders and atomic bombs exploding inside of them and so forth, the crazier the better), a Brainium Matter going from solid state to liquid to gas to plasma and back again and all mixed up creating entire civilizations and entire universes, untold many, and then throw into it and make them explode thousands of trillions of atomic bombs and make it jump around even more wildly, the crazier the better, the wilder the better, matter showing off what it can really do, break away from the past, the peacock showing all of its colors, Dragon shining with all values known...
I AM THE OVERMAN.
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Re: Free Physics (like Free Jazz)
Postby nameta9 » Tue Oct 16, 2012 12:54 pm
Which Case ?
The three possible cases with Physics - Mathematics:
1) Even if you had infinite precision of initial conditions, positions of particles, velocities (precision with more than 1000 decimal points aka 10^1000 while presently the most precise measurement is about 15 decimal points aka 10^15 ?) and even if you had all of the exact formulas and even if you had the exact analytical solution to all of the equations, partial differential equations describing all physical systems, the entire universe, you still couldn't predict the next configuration of the system, there would always be a discrepancy. In this case, the message would be that Mathematics, Logic and the entire program of Scientific Research has a fundamental limit, no matter what, reality is outside of our models, no matter what, there is not a one to one correspondence of reality with any kind of logical construction, linguistics - symbolic construction of it in our mind, or in any mind for that matter, or in any contraption for that matter, even trillions of supercomputers, etc. This would mean that reality, the universe, matter, energy is disjoint from us, 100 % independent from us, completely alien from us. At most we have some good approximations, some lucky shots at guessing some patterns, our formulas are simply matter and reality making fun of us and playing jokes on us just for the fun if it (just like god makes fun of us and plays jokes on us with the impossibility to determine his existence, it is a matter of faith, hence everyone will beat up everyone else because they all have different faiths, etc.), matter and physics and reality make some things look logical and correspond to some formulas, tricking us into believing that the program, the logical analysis and discovery of patterns will lead us to even more precision and formulas (like the "language of the universe is written in mathematics" and such nonsense) only to hose us and fool us as soon as we try to solve the simplest problems like the simple 3 body problem (imagine trying to solve the million body problem contained in a glass of water or an ocean wave form and such).
2) If you had infinite precision of initial conditions, positions of particles, velocities (precision with more than 1000 decimal points aka 10^1000 while presently the most precise measurement is about 15 decimal points aka 10^15 ?) and you had all of the exact formulas and even had the exact analytical solution to all of the equations, partial differential equations describing all physical systems, the entire universe, you could predict the next configuration of the system, there would always be no discrepancy. In this case the message would be that reality, matter, physics, the universe has a one to one correspondence with logical - symbolic - mathematical models of it in our mind, is quantized according to discrete and precise patterns, is simply a computer program in essense, hence you could create new programs and they would be 100 % reality, no matter what, you could invent virtual realities, nay anything you want, and the reality, and truth and the essense of that would be exactly as real as any physical reality, there is no metaphysical or abstract property making reality disjoint or independent from us. Of course the problem here would be to find all of the millions of values for particles and electrons (all of the electrons in the sun, and their exact position up to 1000 decimal points, and exact velocities up to 1000 decimal points and the exact analytical formulas and solutions to all of the equations, and so forth extended to the entire universe, all of the particles of the universe and such). And since this is hard to do (and then why stop at 1000 decimal points ? why not 100000 and then 100 trillion decimal points, there is no constraint saying which decimal point is the limit since if there was a constraint it would mean that the universe is a digital machine, quantized according to precise values) it can never be verified.
3) You can determine the exact configuration of the universe (all of it, every particle and rock and event in it) to any precision you want by a handful of differential equations having exact analytical solutions and applicable to all and needing only 10 or 20 decimal points of precision for most particles (not even all). In this case, reality is a 100 % virtual reality, a machine, a puny machine with no metaphysical properties to it, we are an excess of it, we are excess capacity compared to what reality can deliver, etc. The problem here is that no one has discovered the secret formula to predict all, but it may be possible.
The real solution is probably that reality is irrelevant to us as a subset configuration of the universe, we are a machine that creates, has and explores problems only according to its own input -> process -> out, we simply talk to ourselves in the end and don't need to know or have the precise configuration or next state of the universe. In this case, the entire program of scientific research is mostly metaphysics and philosophy, we just need to reach a level of self manipulation of our mind to create infinite pleasure loops or similar, or infinite complexity virtual realities that satisfy a given configuration of Brain Style and neural circuits, then the entire program of scientific research would be done and over with no matter how much we discovered or not or what would be left to discover.
Of course the Instant Singularity may have a hybrid form, a really wacky form with us having somewhat modified minds, somewhat weird societies and activities (all handling smart phones ?) a mix between input and output and activities and all kinds of things (new bodies, sense programs, hybrid Man Rocket Contraptions traveling Space or such ?) it doesn't necessarily entail modifying our brains completely, although and Instant Singularity will always be just one example amongst trillions of possible others, there is no predetermined destiny or path of progress in this, any event and configuration will do, there is no external metaphysical reality waiting to be discovered, we will invent the reality on the go, as we progress, any reality...
I AM THE OVERMAN (as imagined by Frank Zappa).
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Re: Free Physics (like Free Jazz)
Postby nameta9 » Wed Oct 31, 2012 9:37 am
SPACE X TIME
How big is a computer program ? how much space does it occupy ? or how much time does it occupy ? none or a trillion, it is an Information Relationship, independent from Space and Time (and don't confuse the time with the time it takes to run the program since this is a variable and can be any according to what you run it on, etc.). Time and Space is just a substrate upon which Information Relationships express themselves, but as such, anything can be a substrate to anything else, etc. Each point in space has a local clock time according to how many events occur in that point compared to how many events occur in another point (since only comparisons can be made, no absolutes here, only relative to each other), so some local clocks tick very slowly, very few events occur (that rock under the surface of Mars has been still for many years, etc.), but each point in Space has a clock and potential events could occur, so each point in space is a possibility, but according to time, so Space multiplied Times is the effective size of the universe, each point can host anything and anything can be hosted in any time slot, so Space times Time is the size of the combinational universe, the potential universe, each point in the universe (and which size is the point ?) multiplied a trillion years is the substrate upon which Information Relationships can be expressed, each point multiplied a very long time line, each point disjoint and independent of another, each point in Space multiplied each Time slot in time (or Time Quanta, 10^-100 picoseconds ?) is the substrate available...but you can invent TIME X SPACE X TIME X SPACE X anything you want and create New Science, as everything is a new discovery and absolute truth, everything is 100 completely new, I have discovered new things continuously, a new discovery every moment..
But can you saturate all Space and all Time with events, does the fact that points are separate and disjoint limit the number of concurrent events that can occur ? or independent events can occur, or does the distance between points mean a distance of influence and interaction making some events change the events next door and such ? Each point is free to express a set of events...multiply the point in space by how much time it was still or by how much time it occupies doing nothing or by how much time it could be doing something and such...How big is the point ? is a planet a point ? is an electron a point ? multiply each electron times a billion years and that gives you a substrate size upon which events can occur...or multiply a volume of space times a billion years...
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Re: Free Physics (like Free Jazz)
Postby nameta9 » Wed Oct 31, 2012 9:41 am
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Re: Free Physics (like Free Jazz)
Postby nameta9 » Wed Nov 28, 2012 9:57 am
Justifications for Free Physics
1) Infinite reductionism, since everything is made up of everything else (an electron is composed of a universe at a smaller scale, it contains an entire universe, and that universe contains electrons that contains other universes all the way down forever, for infinity etc. and all of the possible combinations of universes are expressed, etc.) then anything is the cause of anything else, all possible causes and effects as expressed as relationships between any two items at all at any point in space and time at any size level, any delimitations etc. (so a rock present on Mars a billion years from now, and a coin in ancient Rome that fell on the floor are the cause for the transistor breaking on that TV set in 1966, and such, all items can be combined and related and all possible causes and effects imagined and invented and forced without the need to respect space or time or logic or sizes or anything as in Free Physics as in Free Jazz, you get the idea...).
2) Everything is just a configuration of Mass Energy expressing a combination of particles, of information chunks, as in time travel and going back in the past and living at the same age as your father and such, since there is no need for logical coherence in that the old style time travel imposed the impossibility to be before you were born by imaging some kind of metaphysical constraint that imposed Mass Energy to be organized in successive obligatory steps, whereas it is now known that there is no obligation for Mass Energy and Information configurations to obey any coherence at all, the coherence was just a metaphysical ghost that was never necessary, so now you can be 20 years old and talk to your father who is 20 years old simultaneously since you and your father are just a given arbitrary combination of Mass Energy, a given configuration of Information Relationships that have no obligation to be be coherent or respect an imaginary history, an imaginary imposed succession of events, etc. So even the memories of the two persons and all of the universe as they see it is just a configuration of information in their minds imposing imaginary causes and effects and an imaginary history (but it is all just a memory that has been written to, it is all just a combination of bits in minds imposing an imagined history as history is just a set of bits, a succession of recorded events without any metaphysical or deeper meaning than just simply bits written to memories, with no further reality than just an arbitrary set of bits written to memories, so you can write any other set of bits and they are just as real, etc.).
So given that any time travel is possible in that any configuration of Mass energy or Information Relationships representing any time travel to an observer according to what he knows and sees and thinks (going back to New jersey in 1950 for example is exactly the same thing if it is all simulated, if the configuration of Mass Energy corresponding to how New Jersey was in 1950 is exactly replicated, exactly copied, etc., but even more so, if only the Information Relationships as perceived by the Observer is exactly the same, if the resulting experience and perception is indistiguishable from the "real" thing (whatever "real" means anyways since real doesn't really exist)), then any relationship at all between items, any Information Relationship can be always forced, invented, simulated, replicated, no matter how incoherent and far out just like any time travel can be created, invented and made real, nay, even more real than real, if real is 100 you can make it a trillion, hence trillions of times more real and such.
So then any two numbers can be decomposed into a set of invented relationships predicting why those numbers are such (just invent it, lie like crazy, be as dishonest and full of lies and full of BS as possible, don't respect the truth, the truth has always been the real lies...) anything has been predicted as prediction is already implicit in the stability of any item, any stability means that a degree of prediction is always already achieved by matter itself) and then why so much importance on prediction anyways (to be on top of the rules ? to avoid problems and such ? but you can assign all problems solved and all predictions you make as true anyways and always win 100 % anyways).
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Re: Free Physics (like Free Jazz)
Postby nameta9 » Wed Nov 28, 2012 10:11 am
From:
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Re: Free Physics (like Free Jazz)
Postby nameta9 » Wed Nov 28, 2012 11:39 am
You are extracting something from context in order to predict "IT", whatever "IT" is, as "IT" is a delimitation, a part of something else, a number that connects a property of something to something else, to some other idea, word, relationship, to some other item, as we predict the evolution of items, how they flow from one item into the next, the succession of events, the succession of configurations, of combinations, the next configuration of bits, the next design of symbols, one after another and your prediction jumps past all the intermediate steps and zeros in on the final step (but which is the final ? which is the start and end ? the goal ? the target ? so then you already predicted your prediction ahead of time by assigning the target ahead of time and just making it up, inventing it, creating it, forcing it in the end, as all of our predictions are mostly related to gears and engines, to machines, to mechanisms that we already designed in our mind, hence not "Natural" but "Fake" and "Make Believe From the Beginning").
And where does the number start and the item end ? how does the number flow into the item ? how are they separated ? a continuous flow of numbers becoming items becoming events becoming symbols and becoming once again Mass Energy, an item, a chunk of Matter and such.
The opposite of infinite reductionism is infinite unrelatedness, everything is completely unrelated to anything else, everything 100 % disjoint, a new invention. And predicting the unrelated is assigning the prediction from the outset. The organic molecule of biology already knows how it will fold, already predicted its future, already knows how it will be, how it operates, so the item contains its future and past within itself... stability and instability, stability needed as a reference point to measure the unstable, to define something that is unknown and must be predicted...but the prediction itself is another item, is another entity, so prediction (in the form of numbers and formulas or whatever) is something that implies that it itself must be stable, an invariant, but a prediction itself is being assigned stable and invariant arbitrarily, it is being delimited from its environment to become something separate from the environment, but who or what defines the separation ? how do we divide ?
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Re: Free Physics (like Free Jazz)
Postby nameta9 » Wed Nov 28, 2012 7:05 pm
Who or what predicts the prediction ? what predicts the prediction ? and the prediction of the prediction and so on, the prediction itself occupies Mass Energy and is defined by an abstraction by a Mind Brain - Observer, etc. And if the prediction is expressed by a planet that predicts just a short path of an electron, then you can use an entire universe to predict just a small rock on Mars, just where the wind will blow it and such. And if the two rocks on mars are a representation of a prediction of two numbers on earth ? and if an entire planet is the number expressing a number ? and if it is all put upside down ? the rocks are the numbers, the numbers are what must be predicted and the mountains are the formulas and so forth, all upside down, all conected to all in the most wild ways. An ocean of numbers that are predicted by stars and planets ? and so forth, all of the limits and so forth...
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Re: Free Physics (like Free Jazz)
Postby nameta9 » Thu Nov 29, 2012 12:11 pm
Predictions...
The prediction itself occupies Mass Energy, Space and Volume, the prediction itself is an event, is an interaction, so there is a prediction that predicted that there would be a prediction relative to some item, entity, event, some need to know some information related to reciprocal items and events for some Observer, like the Observer wanted to predict the exact poistion of a small rock on Mars after a small wind moved it: in order to have the exact position he applied the infinite determinism equations of physics to determine the point where it will stop, and use the formulas and initial positions and such, etc. But the formulas (giant sized formulas, where a simple variable is a planet, and such) themselves occupy space and write over other items that were predicted by other formulas, hence there is a prediction of a prediction, an infinite recursion of predictions predicting each other and themselves and so forth. And what if the electron wants to predict the position of an atom in a star that is 100 million light years away from it, from a given time to 5 hours later, given that the atom is undergoing movements by the hot stellar plasma inside the star ? and what if the electron wants to use planet sized symbols and numbers (numbers that have a design and style that to write them down you need an entire planet, just because, because the electron likes to use large characters and symbols so it is easy for the electron to read it, or numbers that in order to be expressed need an entire planet, there is no other way to show them and design them, what new weird numbers, special numbers, numbers that must be made up of things in order to express themselves, semiabstraction, a mix between abstract and concrete, but what I mean is way more far out and abstract then wnat you are reading or thinking what I mean, and I keep going on with more and more abstractions, impossible to understand concepts, only my Ultra Mind understands them, all of you puny, fairy humans will never reach my infinite level), or the planet itself is the formula, the rocks are numbers and the entire ordeal is predicting numbers, random numbers written by a random will power and so forth.
And what if any two numbers correspond to any two rocks, and every number is a new Mass Energy entity, and so forth, predictions that self replicate and such. And if 3 represents the number 3, then what number does a rock represent ? as usual, project extensions, abstract extensions and so forth, 3 is number 3, 4 is the sky, the rock is something else and so forth, and add them all up and so forth, wild formulas and so forth, everything mixed and confused, the more confusion and mixing, the more surprising relationships and unknown mysterious relationships the better.
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Re: Free Physics (like Free Jazz)
Postby nameta9 » Thu Nov 29, 2012 1:26 pm
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Secret Formula...
Two numbers: 4.677.8 78.997 the formula that predicted those numbers was composed of a rock on Mars, a mountain on earth, an electron in the center of a star, and 6 events, a cloud that blew through the air on earth 4 million years ago, a car that moved 10 miles now, a rock that will be thrown 500 years from now, and a photon emitted from an atom 2 billion years from now from a star 1 billion light years away (actually the precise time is 2454756709 years from now, and 21 days and 12 months and 2 hours and 4.5467787 seconds) a small wind on venus 5,000 years from now, an earthquake on earth that happened 200 years ago. And there are other formulas, other combinations, other mixtures creating 2 or 3 or millions of numbers, all mixed up time wise, past present and future is irrelevant, the positions in space are irrelevant, there are many wild formulas, many connections, and all disconnected, and so forth. And the two numbers above predict the ocean wave yesterday, the two numbers may also predict the moon, or a stellar plasma, and so forth. And you can mix numbers and predictions and formulas and so forth, all upside down, the numbers are the formulas, the formulas are the numbers and the rocks are predicting the numbers (change the arrows, the cause and effects, rocks -> numbers or numbers -> rocks and so forth), but the numbers are predicting the electrons (so to say, I am thinking of Ultra Abstractions and Ultra Creations, Ultra Inventions and such, Ultra Constructions trillions of times past what even these words seem to say, I am so far out and so far away, I have effectively exited this puny universe and this puny Man Brain and so forth).
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Re: Free Physics (like Free Jazz)
Postby nameta9 » Fri Nov 30, 2012 11:30 am
Cause and Effect ?
A sequence of rocks on Mars, X Y and Z, if the imaginary time arrow passes through them then they become a sequence of causes and effects (but then just extend the sequence to up to your car tire and then X causes your tire, or your tire may be made up of X, or you can even include the idea of reductionism, everything is composed of everything else, the car tire is made up of Z then Y then X, or any other mixture and other random design the imaginary and very real time arrow makes, make it make a wild design crossing all possible items, each is made up of the other (ever smaller, or even ever bigger, the small item is made up of the big item, if you look at the small item under the microscope you will find the big item, the rock Y under the microscope gives you the car tire, and the car tire under the microscope gives you a star and so forth), X causes Y causes Z, etc. But then if the time arrow changes direction from Z to X, then the opposite is also true, and if the time arrow makes a circle and hits on other rocks, and if the time arrow becomes wide and includes many items concurrently, simutaneously, causes and effects, all mixed up or indeed very precise (but very precise, infinite precision only for an Ultra Mind that understand this type of style), but especially the cause is not a point like event but the entire rock, in parallel causes the other rock, but then all items, just by being in parallel can cause all other items, they are just associations, any painting or picture that has all of the items in it means that those items are associated by an Observer delimiting them and associating them, hence they imply the presence of one itme (no I meant "item", or "time" ? how I love wrongly spelled words, they make all the sense of an idea go out of the windw (window ? or is that a new concept trillion s of times more complex and abstract then ever ?), the (they ?) always expose the truth, how untruth and iun invetnion (inventions ?) all is.) means the presence of another, but you can have a parallel to serial converter (or serial to parallel converter, history all written down in paralle at once, all the events become a solid item, one after another and you can visit them, the events and story become a landscape to visit, no more time here, now it is all available (the myth of the past and the future dies finally!)), an existence to events converter and organize the items as a succession of events, as a series of causes and effects, but you can confuse the causes and events and which is which, and you can have very vague causes (but are they just associations, just items next to each other that make you think they are a cause and effect and a functioin of time ?) you can have completely atomized causes where nothing causes all and all causes nothing and everything in between etc. and very vague mixtures, ever more vague, impossible to understand, mix and confuse and make incoherent, and then make them all infinitely precise and so forth, you get the message...
And then extend to include wide parallel time, a volume of time causes a volume of Mass Energy, but it is impossible to follow how, since we invent how, or just mix and redefine all, the rock is TIME and the car tire is SPACE, then what is the transistor in that TV set of 1966 ? and extend and invent, projections ultra abstractions and so forth...
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Re: Free Physics (like Free Jazz)
Postby Abstract » Wed Dec 05, 2012 11:53 pm
I'm confused why is this topic in "Science, Technology, and Math" i mean i see the sciencey stuff here and there but then isn't this more of a rant? I'll move it there unless there are any objections...
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